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#1 Fri, Dec6 2013 11:35am

Milo
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Beorn' s Hall

Well, I am back on workbench now that my teeths allow me to smile again. big_smile

Here is a short preview on my on going diorama. Many ideas are still in my mind only, before I can say this is achieved and update my gallery.
Still having built main structure is an important step I wanted to share here.

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Hope you like it.

Last edited by Milo (Fri, Dec6 2013 11:35am)


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#2 Fri, Dec6 2013 11:50am

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

That's an excellent start indeed, Milo. It's good you added some furniture for the photo as it reveals the size of the hall. I would reconsider the material you chose for the thatching. To me it seems that the material you chose is a bit too large (is it straw?).
Sorry for my criticism, but I think that's why you posted the pic. - I have an idea which material would fit better, so just contact me.

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#3 Fri, Dec6 2013 1:17pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Well, I think our friend Milo was inspired by this image. The roof is made of planks, not straw. Right, Master Milo? roll

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Certainly, excellent star! smile

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#4 Fri, Dec6 2013 1:27pm

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I just referred to the thatching which usually is not inside of a roof ,Master Erchamion wink

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#5 Fri, Dec6 2013 1:32pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Theobald wrote:

That's an excellent start indeed, Milo.

Thanks for kind word Master Ent. smile

Theobald wrote:

It's good you added some furniture for the photo as it reveals the size of the hall.

Hall size is 30x40cm. 
Main driven idea is to see what goes on inside this Hall.
I limited building size by not adding the entrance hall before fireplace.
A complete Hall should be 1/3 longer when you look at Tolkien's illustration: Click to close

Theobald wrote:

I would reconsider the material you chose for the thatching. To me it seems that the material you chose is a bit too large (is it straw?).

It is straw. I just bought a small brush and cut straw out of it to needed size.

Theobald wrote:

Sorry for my criticism, but I think that's why you posted the pic. - I have an idea which material would fit better, so just contact me.

All feedbacks, criticism & advices are always welcome !

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#6 Fri, Dec6 2013 1:39pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

erchamion wrote:

Well, I think our friend Milo was inspired by this image.

Almost true. Tolkien's illustration is in B&W. tongue

erchamion wrote:

The roof is made of planks, not straw. Right, Master Milo? roll

I see no planks on original drawing, so no planks on diorama roll

erchamion wrote:

Certainly, excellent start! smile

Merci smile

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#7 Fri, Dec6 2013 1:51pm

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Theobald wrote:

I just referred to the thatching which usually is not inside of a roof ,Master Erchamion wink

Sure. lol

I thought you meant COMPLETELY thatched roof ... smile


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#8 Fri, Dec6 2013 2:32pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Now that turns out to become funny.
First of all I have to state again that Milo's start of that project is excellent from my humble point of view. [I wish I had the time to realize something like that myself]- Then I just wanted to give him advice about the thatching of the hall (which cannot be seen in the well-known pictures). - I just was referring to what I can see in his picture at the top left, which reveils a start of how to hatch the hall. And that material is straw, as he admitted a short time ago.
I was just wondering about proportions. Even if you split straws and then place them on that table inside the hall, they'll be far too large.
Well, Milo, you're right saying that the focus of the diorama, of course, is on the inside of the hall. I just wanted to help a bit with some detail concerning proportions. That's why I sent down Beorn to my cellar to explain what I mean. I'm sure he'll be back soon.
Alas, I like this.

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#9 Fri, Dec6 2013 2:42pm

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As my language is limited, n'est pas? I better try to explain visually, if you don't mind.
So, you need an old hand brush (not the common ones with plastic bristles, of course), you don't even have to paint them, just give them a touch with watery black.
So, in this short time my Beorn was able to show you ... what I meant

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#10 Fri, Dec6 2013 2:53pm

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Anyway, by now I guess you know what I was talking about. - And mind, please, this is just an idea to help you with your project, neither criticism nor advice I would ask you to follow. - I just tried to help a bit (not forgetting Beorn's support in visualizing this). lol
Huooommm ... I like such things to happen ...

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#11 Fri, Dec6 2013 2:57pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

. . . oh my goodness . . .the handbrush is gone.
In this case it is interessant to know, what the Entwife would say . . . ne pas?!

Anyway a brilliant idea, my friend  . . .

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#12 Fri, Dec6 2013 3:52pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

The hand brush as thatched roof is an excellent idea smile
But It is hard to find in my area. They are usually plastic....sad


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#13 Fri, Dec6 2013 4:01pm

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Hm ... this is one of my own hand brushes ... no matter what Mrs Tree says ... she keeps hers for herself and uses them differently.

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#14 Fri, Dec6 2013 4:10pm

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That's the same problem with old hand brushes around here ... so, if you find one, better buy three ... they're also good for a first step to to have reeds at a watery edge, by the way - though that's a different matter ... wink

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#15 Fri, Dec6 2013 4:16pm

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You have your own hand brush, Master Tree?

That gives you an important advantage . . .


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#16 Fri, Dec6 2013 4:33pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Magnificent idea Master Milo.... this hall will look great... I'm sure !


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#17 Fri, Dec6 2013 4:35pm

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Thingol wrote:

Magnificent idea Master Milo.... this hall will be great... I'm sure !

... an yes you look "big_smile = Milo" better wink


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#18 Fri, Dec6 2013 6:58pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Well I must say master theobald made a great suggestion i will for sure try!
Not only because of sizing but also color cool
I felt very unconfortable to obtain complete brown without spreading paint every where !
Thanks for showing, you have been very kind to go downstairs with the big man axe around.


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#19 Fri, Dec6 2013 7:01pm

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erchamion wrote:

The hand brush as thatched roof is an excellent idea smile
But It is hard to find in my area. They are usually plastic....sad

I have some natural hand brush somewhere in my garage. Now i need to talk to mrs milo tongue

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#20 Fri, Dec6 2013 7:02pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Thingol wrote:

Thingol wrote:

Magnificent idea Master Milo.... this hall will be great... I'm sure !

... an yes you look "big_smile = Milo" better wink

Twice thanks !


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#21 Fri, Dec6 2013 7:54pm

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Hm ... you can spare a lot of paint and brushes, Milo, trying it this way. Have you ever tried to add colours to a straw? - It doesn't cover the surface but runs down incontrollably, so you have to repaint, etc. - The surface is too smooth for that. And by the way, I always like to use natural material, as then you don't have to immitate it, just give it a final finish.

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#22 Fri, Dec6 2013 9:31pm

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Looks fantastic Milo, a great interpretation of the picture by Prof. T wink. How does it look with figures in it? Given the perceived length from the photo, they won't get lost will they? Sometimes a fine balance between artistic licence and 'reality' has to be considered.

Regarding the roof, unless thatch is mentioned in The Hobbit, have you considered a turf roof which may be easier to 'scale' than thatch smile.

Anyhow, can't wait to see what you end up with wink

p.s. my trip to the dentist today will eventually cost me £200+ and a gold cap (so I must keep away from the cut-purses around the back of the Pony lol). Maybe not as painful in the mouth (yet!), but painful in the wallet hmm

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#23 Fri, Dec6 2013 10:10pm

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ddaines wrote:

Looks fantastic Milo, a great interpretation of the picture by Prof. T wink.

Thanks David.smile

ddaines wrote:

How does it look with figures in it? Given the perceived length from the photo, they won't get lost will they? Sometimes a fine balance between artistic licence and 'reality' has to be considered.

Agreed. This is exactly what I intended. I defined scale the following way :
- using mithril M85 x2 for pylons' height
- using M122 table + M122 stool  + M113 stool for top cross bar's length
- using M122 table for spacing between 2 pilons
- using M122 table x4 for floor's length before fire place
- using M122 table for fireplace size
- using sleeping men CH25B & CH28B for floor sides depth (a human kind is supposed to be able to sleep there).

I haven't any pics yet with all minis as most are still in blisters & unassembled

ddaines wrote:

Regarding the roof, unless thatch is mentioned in The Hobbit, have you considered a turf roof which may be easier to 'scale' than thatch smile.

My mind tells me it is thatch but maybe I'm wrong. I should check the book as always.

ddaines wrote:

Anyhow, can't wait to see what you end up with wink

There I have to say I am not very fast. hmm

ddaines wrote:

p.s. my trip to the dentist today will eventually cost me £200+ and a gold cap (so I must keep away from the cut-purses around the back of the Pony lol). Maybe not as painful in the mouth (yet!), but painful in the wallet hmm

Ouch sad

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#24 Wed, Dec16 2015 6:15am

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Dear Master Milo, I want to encorage you to keep going in this project! trully looks amazing!!!

Master Theobald give you a great suggestion (probably the best one), by my side only give you some  more alternatives to use with your roof, I prefer show you with photos:

synthetic material (like plush toys)

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rope

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#25 Wed, Dec16 2015 6:41am

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Re: Beorn' s Hall

Thanks for the advice. I am also convinced by Master ent technique which I used for the wodmeen house (with not enough stuff as mastrr maenas pointed out wink ).
This project has been asleep for 2 years...too long, L agree I shall take it out from my attic and start painting miniatures. smile


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