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What do you mean, Master Twrich? - even if Sauron himself threatened to insert little pointy things under my fingernails, I would never, ever, EVER exaggerate - er, hang on, I think I just did...
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indeed mea culpa on Radagast, he has a short beard on LR3 
as for female assassin this is indeed extrapolation, i'll wait to see it, but from the picture I saw, the dagger makes me perplex...
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LOL master barkeep. I think you have a better sense of humour than most of us, and certainly better than I.
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Voting will begin on the 11th of February (first round), Michael said.
Has forgotten Michael to enable the vote? 
Certainly the three new suggestions ...... I keep the dwarf
......dwarves ..... there is never enough for me.....
Indeed, the female assassin reminds me........ Gildor's avatar!...... similar pose 
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erchamion wrote:
Voting will begin on the 11th of February (first round), Michael said.
Has forgotten Michael to enable the vote?
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I answer myself 
I apologise for not stopping the thread earlier but Chris forgot to send me the list of suggestions he agrees with so I left it open until he got back to me. We will have the list up later today. -------Michael today in the Mithril´s page.....
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again standard bearers??? but that's enough for god sake 
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Well, there's room for both. There has to be.
Look at the first three or four years of the Mithril line. What do you see? Orc enemies, player character types, important personalities, warriors and fighters. Standard bearers, captains and chieftains. Why? Because Mithril was born to serve the Middle-earth roleplaying game. And this is a good thing. MERP represents the greatest exploration and expansion of Tolkien's world ever. It was only much later when Mithril aimed for small vignettes, scenes and odd little collectables.
You don't need to be collecting a gaming army to appreciate a Minas Morgul standard bearer. It could just as easily be the centrepiece of a wonderful diorama. We've had things made such as the Forging of Anduril which, while nice, is not much good to me, and three witch kings in the Fellowship range alone.
I am also quite the purist, but I also remember when Mithril came from (and with a new LOTR RPG in the works, I'd love to see it continuing in that direction a ways)
Gavin
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I'm always happy to let the voting decide what's wanted and what isn't. I don't necesarily like what wins - indeed, there have been one or two winners that are "Fantasy with a capital F" nonsense as far as I'm concerned, and nothing whatsoever to do with JRRT's vision of Middle-earth - but in that case I simply don't buy them.
I think, as Master Gavin has intimated, that we see a suffficiently well-rounded mixture of suggestions and winners in the course of any twelve-month period. Some I like, and some I very definitely don't like, but someone obviously must, otherwise they wouldn't have won in the first place. I learnt long ago that I can't have my own way all the time (though I'm still waiting for someone to explain why, exactly...).
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Some of the decisions thrown up are peculiar, as are some of the winners.
And some of the votes are obviously there to round out an army or diorama set or something. For example, Mithril has had certain "signature" armies which keep coming up: the hordes of Angmar, for example, or the Orcs of Minas Morgul. (Go look through the database, see what I mean) but because of the peculiar way that Mithril releases products, you end up with "bits" of the army released over decades.
This Christmas we got a MERP villain who was first mentioned in an early 80s ICE supplement. Recently we got the Angmar standard bearer - to go with the Angmar half-troll captain released in 1990. Now others clearly want a Morgul standard bearer to go with the Morgul captain and the Morgul orcs and various other denizens of Cirith Ungol and places nearby. At some time in the dim and distant future, I'll put together my Minas Morgul mithril army, and then a standard bearer will be quite welcome.
The other factor is that while many do not want Mithril to become GW (obviously!), GW has a deeply unpleasant habit of making hideous throwaway creations for important, if minor, elements of Middle-earth. The Mithril Arnorian knight is a head and shoulders above the GW Arnor model set. The Mithril black numenorean, with his MERP style helm, is a beautiful, subtle and believable creation. The GW black numenoreans are an embarassment.
So for some collectors, (like me) buying Mithrils is also an opportunity to see these elements of Middle-earth realised by someone with an obvious love and respect for the material, matched to talent and commitment. So the military mithrils are worthy competition to the others. (The Lord of the Rings, after all, is the story of a war, and those caught up in it)
But Mithril, unlike GW, can make soldiers and heroes and captains and turn around and release a set of some characters having tea. And so it should be.
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So for some collectors, (like me) buying Mithrils is also an opportunity to see these elements of Middle-earth realised by someone with an obvious love and respect for the material, matched to talent and commitment. So the military mithrils are worthy competition to the others. (The Lord of the Rings, after all, is the story of a war, and those caught up in it)
If only Mr. Tubb stops sculpting full armours, I would agree. And some other details, such toeless feet for Trolls and so. That's something I have never understood, Mithril are suppose to be completely fatihful to the lore 
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I suspect Chris sculpted full plate armour back in the day without really thinking about it. Back then, MERP and geekdom in general worked on the assumption that "mail" meant "armour" in general. So now he continues the "look" for certain figures. A lot of MERP material was written before we had access to Tolkien's letters and sundry extras like the history of Middle-earth.
The later and clearer understanding of Middle-earth as some sort of 19th century Oxfordshire-meets-Dark-Ages-Germanic-saga is a little later than the birth of Mithril.
Though if Chris ever runs out of subjets to sculpt, he could do worse than re-making some of the plate-armoured Last Alliance heroes and ancient Noldor.
Gavin
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I could understand that to a point. Last Alliance figures should keep continuity... but Galadriel in full plate armour? For Eru's sake!
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Gavin wrote:
The GW black numenoreans are an embarassment.
Well of course they are - they were designed by Mr Morley. What more needs to be said?
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I don't want to write a book so just a few thoughts:
It is absolutely correct that Mithril began its existence as a licensee of Tolkien Enterprises to produce figures compatable with and based on the MERP (Middle-Earth Role-Playing) publications by Iron Crown Enterprises--so from the beginning Mithrils were never meant to be "completely faithful to the lore."
I think the issue of what is an acceptable suggestion is really up to Chris--if he didn't want a broad definition of figures suggested, he and Mithril would let us know. So far he has mostly declined suggestions for reasons of cost or complexity, not whether they were purely Tolkien canon.
It is human nature to favor good over evil (at least for most of us most of the time). And the LOTR being a story about the triumph of "good" it is understandable that most suggestions are of "good" characters. But eventually this leads to Galadriel in plate. Likewise, there are far fewer evil characters mentioned by name than good, so we get many Witch-kings. But no one complains about generic good guy standard bearers, drummers, messengers, etc . . . . Why shouldn't we have generic evil figures too that compliment existing series' and are unlikely to be part of a future M series?
In the end, I am still long-winded even when trying not to be, and Barli right in saying that we can't always get what we want (speaking of ageless rockers) ;-)
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Ahh, that's what the Pony needs - more Rolling Stones references! And the widely varying wants/needs/hopes/desires of the GF members, as regards good/evil/generics/heroes, is meanwhie being entirely underlined by the scatter-gun nature of this month's voting even as we sit here and drink (sorry, I meant think - sort of), with no clear leader and only 4 votes between the highest and lowest scorers!
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Yes Master Tree, the line does continue like that, with words 'you just might find ' in there as well.
Are we allowed by Mithril to purchase two of these UP sets at once master Tree, or would you prefer us to buy one at first and wait a while for others to be able to scrape their coiny things together, maybe a couple months or so. I wouldn't want someone to go without because I bought two (one to paint, one to collect), but I would like to save on the shipping.
I post this here, the most frequently visited area of MMP, so others can read your thoughts.
I think that in days to come this will prove to be Chris's greatest Mithril work, and will be the centerpiece of many collections!
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Huooommm ... as you adressed me here, Master Twrich, I will try to answer ... rhuooommm ... as far as I know there will be no limit for the number of vignettes a single person might buy ... huommm ... of course no one knows how the selling of the UP will develop, and that's why I cannot give any advice here, sorry, but I hope you understand ... hoooomrhuomm ... but there also are those special conditions about a payment offered by Mithril ... huoommm ... unfortunately that would turn out to be a bit more expensive than paying for the UP at once ... hooommmhuom ... so what can I say?
Huom ... I agree with your judgement about Chris's "greatest" work (size or weight?). huomm ...
as a matter of fact this really seems to be the biggest single project Mithril has ever done so far.
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Whew! Just coming home from other parts. A round for everyone and something strong, but not too strong for me. 
And a bowl of the best, clearest water for Master Ent any time he might want it for the wonderful UP. 
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What a pleasure it is to see a lady in here once in a while. Oh, and Mistress Wendy is here as well! That's nice. It'll give Nob a chance to practice being polite.
Meanwhile, I'm running a book on which figure suggestions are going to make it to Round 2 of this month's GF poll. Any takers?
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Huuoommmmm ... rhuommhuom ... homm ... it's so good to have you around here again, Mistress Wendy .... huoommm, indeed it is ... hommm ... rhuoomm ... but you might reconsider your offer of a 'bowl-of-clear-clean-non-sparkeling-honey-tasting-watery-liquid-I-do-prefer-most-of-all-them waters-for-which-I-do-not-have-to-spend-any-coiny-thing on it" ... rhhuoommm ...
rhuoouummmhuommm ... thank you very much, Mistress Wendy .... but I think you should rather offer The Man a free drink, as he had to do all the work with that MP-thing ... rhuoommm
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Huomm ... as for another matter ... sorrry ... I still wonder what the colours of the shield of the old 'Army of the Witch-King' might be ... huoomm ... I know of that tower in the woods where the 'Necromancer' kept hidden ... alas ... rhuoommmm ... is there any hint or clue to how appropriately paint those shields? ... of course, there's the dominant 'Tower' on them ... but what about colours? ... I tried to put the 'dexter chief point' (which is the background) in variant colours ... not very much convincing, by the way ... rhuoommm... the next, according to Mr. Stephen Sleter, is to have the "middle chief point" - which in our case is that image of a fortified tower ... gruuhuommmhomm ... does anybody around here know about colours about that which our dear Master Tolkien provided? .... rhuommhuommmhooomm .... alas ...
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As far as I know, Tolkien didn't design that shield. But he did design Sauron's device which was a red eye on black background and then we have Minas Morgul device which was a white skull-moon on black background. And Morgoth's own shield was plain black when he killed Fingolfin. Then we have Haradrim device, the black serpent on red background. So I'll definitively go for red and black, probably black tower on red background.
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huoommm ... so it could also have been a 'white tower' on a black field ... no ... rhuoomm ..
I think that as Master Sauron chose the red colour to his visible threats - as later it was the red eye - the 'Necromancer' might have used a 'Tower' as a sign for a fortified place ... huoomm ... in that case a red tower on a plain green field ... huoomm .... sorry, it's not dark enough to see ... rhuoomhuommmhommm ...
Thank you, Master Arthadan, for sharing this issue ... hooommm
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