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#401 Tue, Jun3 2008 5:10pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
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Re: The Taproom

I acknowledge that the height of the taproom is, how can I put it?, vertically challenging, but I don't have the funds to finance any alterations. Perhaps I should put some of my own Mw347s up on eBay - but then, they might not sell either, just like dritz's. Mind you, his starting prices and over-ambitious postage charges combined are enough to deter anyone.


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#402 Tue, Jun3 2008 11:18pm

presto247365
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Re: The Taproom

Speaking of the Hobbit movie, here is a link to a very interesting web-chat with Peter Jackson and Guillermo del Toro.  It's long, but somewhat revealing.  Some of the questions are quite pithy and pointed, others are fairly obvious and not very informative. 
Personally, I think Guillermo's take on Smaug is spot-on (Can I just say Alan Rickman for the voice  work PLEASE!).  I also am enthusiatic about having the goblins and wargs re-designed, ESPECIALLY the wargs.  Here's the link!

http://www.wetanz.com/holics/index.php? … mp;catid=2

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#403 Wed, Jun4 2008 10:34am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Sadly it doesn't actually tell us much we haven't already guessed, though like you, I'm glad they're revising their wolves - and funnily enough, I was saying to Mrs B just yesterday that I didn't see how the LOTR types would work in a 'Hobbit' context. PJ and Del Toro obviously agree. But it's very early days for much worthwhile info to be leaked yet, so I'm unsurprised that they're all keeping mum about prettty much everything at the moment.

I was amused, though, by Del Toro's long-winded diatribe regarding his earlier (i.e. pre being paid several million dollars) disparaging remarks regarding his dislike of fantasy stories featuring "little guys, dragons, hairy feet and hobbits". That faux pas will doubtless return to bite him in the butt on many future occasions. And rightly so.


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#404 Wed, Jun4 2008 12:36pm

Wendy
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Re: The Taproom

Barliman wrote:

I was amused, though, by Del Toro's long-winded diatribe regarding his earlier (i.e. pre being paid several million dollars) disparaging remarks regarding his dislike of fantasy stories featuring "little guys, dragons, hairy feet and hobbits". That faux pas will doubtless return to bite him in the butt on many future occasions. And rightly so.

Oh dear.  One wonders why he was chosen at all.

Maybe because he won't complain if they deviate from the story?

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#405 Wed, Jun4 2008 12:54pm

presto247365
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Re: The Taproom

I don't know, I think del Toro's style may work very well for the Hobbit.    It's a risky, but intriguing, choice of director. 
Comments he made about not liking fantasy films, per se, don't matter much to me.  I don't know what context they were made in, if he was asked questions relating his movies to LOTR etc....  It would only be natural to try and set apart one's own "art-house" (Pan's Labyrinth) work form the Hollywood blockbuster LOTR movies.
With the Hobbit's linear story and fairy tale/fantasy elements, I think del Toro can make a fantastic movie. 

The debates over casting and story choices are going to be furious and interesting!  You should see some of the comments on theonering.net about who should do the voice of Smaug.  One guy actually said he would leave the theatre during Smaug scenes if Alan Rickman does the voice.  Silly! 

I remember the trepidation and unease I had about the LOTR movies being done at all.  It's difficult to reconcile our own visions of Tolkien's world with what's presented on the screen.  They could have been a colossal flop.  Thankfully, that wasn't the case.  Although I don't like every aspect of the films, by and large they enjoyable, if not outstanding. 

However, locked in my head is my own unalterable vision of Middle-Earth that created itself there almost 30 years ago! big_smile

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#406 Thu, Jun5 2008 9:14am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

I also enjoyed the films immensely, though I can't entirely forgive PJ for emasculating Gandalf and perverting Faramir's personality so much that not only is he tempted by the ring but he's prepared to condone the brutal beating of an unarmed prisoner. Not very Faramir-like at all, at all.

Anyway, that's my lot for now - Mrs B and I are just about to set off for a fortnight's holiday way up in the far North where the sun barely sets at this time of year. I've put Nob in the cattery, so Bob will be in charge - at least he can reach the taps. I just hope he remembers to wash his hands when he comes in from the stable.

Try not to drink too much while I'm away.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#407 Thu, Jun5 2008 1:03pm

Wendy
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Re: The Taproom

Ooh!  Smaug's voice should be the guy who does Auron's voice in Final Fantasy X, whatever his name is.

You and the Missus have a nice holiday, Barley!  (Quite right about Faramir, by the way.  Very annoying, I found it.)

Ah, no more hockey to distract from painting.  smile

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#408 Thu, Jun5 2008 1:08pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm .... have a nice holiday with Mrs B, Master Barliman ... must be a nice region where the sun sets barley ... huoommm

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#409 Thu, Jun5 2008 7:19pm

ddaines
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Re: The Taproom

Have a nice holiday Barli wink

Re Smaug's voice - well what a plonker whoever would get up and walk out of a film if AR did the voice roll, I think AR would be perfect he has the right voice for this sort of thing unlike Sean Connery voicing the dragon in Dragonheart which didn't ring right to me.

Anyhow, those giant hyena's .... ooops Warg designs from LotR need to go - hated 'em!

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#410 Sun, Jun15 2008 2:38pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huuooommrhuom ... it has become a bit quiet around here, right Boris? ... huoommm ... the place seems to be unoccupied for quite some time .... rhuooommm ... let's hope it won't become  uninhabitable, Boris .... huom ... hush, I can hear a sound from a far distance .... huom.

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#411 Sun, Jun15 2008 4:09pm

ddaines
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Re: The Taproom

Been away, but back now wink

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#412 Sun, Jun15 2008 4:34pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommm ... I heard you coming back, Master Ddaines ... rhuuooommm ... oh, by the by do you know Boris the spider? ... huoommm ... good to have you here again, Master Ddaines ... huommm ... where to start cleaning up this mess around here? .... or is it better to take our time first to relax a while with a bowl of that watery liquid from the tap over there ... huommm ...

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#413 Sun, Jun15 2008 10:26pm

ddaines
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Re: The Taproom

Boris the spider, no not heard of him, but a bowl of that clear stuff before work sounds good.

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#414 Sat, Jun21 2008 5:40pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm ... so by now I've managed to keep this place habitable ... rhuoomm ... floors are clean, wargskins been dusted, tabs are sealed, the cat is well, Nob's at a place he calls 'nowhere' ... maybe the stables, I dunno ... rhuoomm ... anyway I try to do what I can ... hom ... well, Boris is fine ... rhuoommm ... though I unintentially destroyed one of his webs ...

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#415 Sun, Jun22 2008 12:33pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Rhuuooommmmm .... hom.hom..... huom ... I do hope that the barkeep of this place is fine ... huommm ... all regulars have been gone since quite a while ... huoomm ... I tried to clean and tidy up this abandonned place ... rhuoommm ... I also witnessed that the man in the dark is absent ... huoommm no smoke to hide behind .... rooommmmm ... it's just Boris, the spider, that confuses me with his presence ... huuuoommm ...

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#416 Mon, Jun23 2008 7:28am

Nob
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From: Bree
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Re: The Taproom

hear ya hear ya, gentlemen.. uh.. and ladies..

During the absence of master Butterbur, I've been given the authorization to reset all bills and provide each patron with a free mug of our best ale...I'd like to precize that during those hot months, our cave has been filled with huge blocks of ice to refresh the casks.

(mutters to himself : "I hope master Butterburr won't be mad at me, trying to get more people joining the inn by giving to much free goodies... well maybe in the end that'll be good for business who knows")

So, who's first for his mug? free mug of fresh ale! come ask me!

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#417 Mon, Jun23 2008 9:58am

ESTEL
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Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

Hello Nob,

so let's have some! It was very hot yesterday and it seems that I need some for lunch!


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#418 Mon, Jun23 2008 10:06am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Aha, caught you, Nob you young rascal - who released you from the cattery early? You weren't supposed to be let out until I got back. But I suppose I am back (though parts of my brain appear to have been left behind somewhere), so I'll not worry about it too much, but let's not be having any more of this free ale nonsense or there'll be no salary for you this week (again).

Well, I can see from looking round that the place has been extraordinarily quiet while I've been away in the North. I thought I'd have to catch up with a bit of reading, but it seems not.

First thing I checked on was the polls on the Fellowship site, and I'm delighted to see that King Brand won - very right and proper. The suggestions for this month are also an interesting mixed bag - though (and this is only a personal opinion, you understand), I'm dubious about the Dol Amroth lady appearing again - and leading the voting at this stage too, to boot! I feel sure that JRRT would be turning in his grave at the thought of 'female assassins' in his subcreation! There's too much ICE and Fantasy with a capital 'F' in such suggestions, and nowhere near enough JRRT for my tastes...

Anyway, it's good to be back where I don't have to pay for my beer! Thanks for your work keeping the place in order, Master Tree - you've done a grand job. Your tab is cancelled in perpetuity for that and for other favours (ah yes, I've now received my backlog of mail, and there were some metal bits in it; many thanks!). You really must introduce me to Boris when you next come across him.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#419 Mon, Jun23 2008 10:51am

ESTEL
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Re: The Taproom

Hello Barliman,

well there will be a second round in voting, where this Fantasy-girl can be thrown out by your and your fellows votes.
Me too hopes, that again a named character will win this time!

NAMARIE
estel


P.S.: Some ale again please, sun is merciless here.


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#420 Mon, Jun23 2008 12:09pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm ... I'm glad you enjoyed those metal bits, Master Barliman .... huoommm... I'm even gladder about not having a tab left at the moment .... hom ... about Boris, well, don't you remember those four guys singing a song about Boris the Spider .... huoomrhuoommm...Kinks

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#421 Mon, Jun23 2008 12:13pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

.... huoommmm ... I also dislike the idea of that assassin lady because I think it's too close to a very bad (male) GW-assassin-figure .... huoomm .... that at once came to my mind when I read about that suggestion ... hom ... nightmare association

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#422 Mon, Jun23 2008 2:04pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

which leads me to an idea.... I know that people are free to suggest everything they have in mind for next months vote for GF membership... but a lack of "general charter of what can be suggested or not" leads to such inconsistencies...
One of us could suggest Michael to organize a one-time "side-vote" that would be used to generate a chart of what can be suggested or not... (the aspect of a vote for this chart is for the democracy part of it, forcing a chart to members without their approval would be dictatorship...)

but although I am a great Roleplay Gamer myself, I really dislike it when people tend to transform Mithril universe to fill their game desires at any cost... no matter if it turns asunder the tolkien mythology and settled world... (I make allowances for MERP related stuff as they have been... once... authorized and approved material for all the community of Tolkien RPG fans)

well let me know what youthink about it... I would really be disapointed if this girl would win...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#423 Mon, Jun23 2008 6:02pm

erchamion
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From: Granada, Spain
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Re: The Taproom

I think that everyone is free to propose what they prefer or likes as GF figure. I am among those who think that members of the association are sufficiently "successful" when that vote is not necessary to put limits or obstacles to the ideas. After the vote of the majority is imposed (democracy) and the results are the ones who send. For my taste, all figures of GF are exceptional so far and all of them have a great reflection on the world of JRRT so the voters at the end know what they do smile


¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1

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#424 Mon, Jun23 2008 8:16pm

presto247365
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Re: The Taproom

While I too find the "female assassin" character far afield from Tolkien canon, I don't think there should be a limit to the suggestions for GF figures.  The public vote will determine if the idea has merit with collectors or gamers, or not.  Wasn't "Assassins of Dol Amroth" an ICE module? 

This month's selections are OK, but there is some odd repetition.  We just had an Eomer at Pelennor fields, albeit with Aragorn.  But how different would another Pelennor Eomer be form previous M-series releases?  The king Dain sound repetitive with the M-series, but Wendy's explanation definetely sets it apart and pairs it with the coming Brand figure.  An unfortunate description was used for the voting list, so I don't think it will get due consideration.

I like the idea of Elessar and infant, Chris does a good job with these things.  Mirkwood captain?  Got one already, M67.  I don't like Hobbit figures much, and not that interested in another orc.  So it will be Narvi, Dain, Elessar, or maybe the half-troll for me!

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#425 Tue, Jun24 2008 5:58am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

I agree entirely with the preceding observations regarding having no limits on what can be suggested, and I'll continue to rely on the Fellowship members' good taste and the merit of individual suggestions to determine what gets selected. It will, nevertheless, continue to worry me that JRRT's works are sometimes viewed as no more than Fantasy game sourcebooks! That "Assassins of Dol Amroth" is an ICE module is precisely the point I was making, of course - the concept isn't Tolkien's, and runs entirely contrary to his writings. I'm sure he'd have shuddered at the thought that even the Men of Dol Amroth could be so ignoble as to resort to assassination, let alone the women!

But then, I guess that raises the issue of whether the Mithril range is ultimately a LOTR range or an ICE range. It's certainly had a long, if erratic, association with the latter; but Chris's best figures have undoubtedly always been those taken from the books themselves - as, happily, by far the majority are and always have been.


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