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#101 Tue, Jun21 2011 9:55am
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...completely unknown to me ... never heard anything about her before.... Maybe it's because the last 10 years I avoiding to watch USA shit movies.... and about this character - "same unnecessary role as Itaril or something like that" .... she is so "cute" he..he... for playboy... but characters like this must be only cameo role in bunch of elves..... no name, no words... this is my opinion...
.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!
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#102 Tue, Jun21 2011 10:01am
- Barliman
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I agree. I don't understand why this character has been invented at all.
"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."
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#103 Tue, Jun21 2011 2:20pm
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Barliman wrote:
I agree. I don't understand why this character has been invented at all.
It's the perceived need for strong female characters. Rather silly and at times quite detrimental to the storyline. She probably helps Bilbo escape from the Elvenking's realm and later appears with the elves and tries to talk everyone out of fighting each other until the orcs appear. And then kicks orc butt. (I hope I'm wrong...)
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#104 Tue, Jun21 2011 2:31pm
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I hope you're wrong too, but it would be a typical movie storyline. We shall see in time! You're right though - movie-makers work to strange agendas that see certain character types as being essential if their movie is to appeal to every audience demographic.
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#105 Tue, Jun21 2011 3:45pm
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I thought Saoirse Ronan had gotten that part... hmm.
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#106 Tue, Jun21 2011 3:56pm
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As for the "need" more than half the population are women, and, crucially, far more than half of all movies and TV media are consumed by women. It's not "oh we need women in the story to keep the girlfriends happy" rather "if women do not like it, feel they have no contact with it, they won't go and your movie will flop and you will die alone and sad"
It's one of the reasons the distributors insisted on a bigger role for Arwen in the trilogy.
Of course the weird aside to that is that women (as a demographic) hate genre movies made "for women." This may be because such movies suck ("she's a superhero, but she has all these relationship problems!"), but its possibly also something to do with people's requirements for genre movies. Men may want some macho hero blowing crap up. Women may want the same thing too :p (I am not being entirely silly - I have some access to Canadian movie industry figures)
So, there's that.
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#107 Fri, Jul8 2011 1:23pm
- erchamion
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Dori, Nori and Ori 
¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1
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#108 Fri, Jul8 2011 1:44pm
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Nice!
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#110 Fri, Jul8 2011 4:13pm
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where are the unsung heroes of the novel and movie: william, bert and tom?
oh, the injustice ... 
Esse quam videri. (Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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#111 Fri, Jul8 2011 4:16pm
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They'll be there. It's already been reported that the 'statue' versions have been re-manufactured to match those in the Fellowship movie exactly. The actual characters will be CGI, of course.
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#112 Fri, Jul8 2011 6:13pm
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Óin and Glóin
¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1
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#113 Fri, Jul8 2011 6:44pm
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erchamion wrote:
Dori, Nori and Ori
Bloody weird haircut Dori has got, or is it a hat?
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#114 Fri, Jul8 2011 6:57pm
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...for sure in next few days we will see other guys from Thorin Oakenshield bunch and for me also this dwarves look a bit too darkish in that picture but I'm sure that they'll appear better in natural environment.... "Gothic dwarves" 
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#115 Fri, Jul8 2011 11:13pm
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For me those dwarves were always somekind of a "wild bunch". Not at all- too darkish.
But of course it is all subjective . . .
Master Del Toro´s influence is remarkable.
Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.
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#116 Sat, Jul9 2011 2:42pm
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This may be of interest
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php … p;comments
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#117 Sat, Jul9 2011 3:08pm
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Good find, Master D! I hadn't noticed he'd posted another video. Makes me pine to see NZ again, though!
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#118 Sat, Jul9 2011 5:58pm
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Absolutely Brilliant Dave!!!
"All that is gold does not glitter, not all those that wander are lost." (Strider, The Fellowship of the Ring)
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#119 Sat, Jul9 2011 8:50pm
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ddaines wrote:
This may be of interest
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php … p;comments
Very interest ! He !
.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!
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#120 Wed, Jul13 2011 8:46am
- erchamion
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Fili and Kili
These guys don´t convince me.....
¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1
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#121 Wed, Jul13 2011 9:03am
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They look more human than I do...and a bit of elvish also...not convinced at all. But maybe seing them moving will change the feeling.
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#122 Wed, Jul13 2011 10:31am
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Oh my goodness ... did you realize those "weapons"? - absolutely idiotic, they seem to be based on ideas of some 'fantasy-companies' (plural !) producing very bad figures ...
I hope the pics Master Erchamion kindly provides do not have anything to do with the Dwarves appearing in the movie ... alas
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#123 Wed, Jul13 2011 10:37am
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. . . Master Del Toro´s influence is remarkable.
Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.
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#124 Wed, Jul13 2011 10:56am
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Theobald wrote:
Oh my goodness ... did you realize those "weapons"? - absolutely idiotic, they seem to be based on ideas of some 'fantasy-companies' (plural !) producing very bad figures ...
I hope the pics Master Erchamion kindly provides do not have anything to do with the Dwarves appearing in the movie ... alas
I´m afraid they are official pics distributed by New Line Cinema......
¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1
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#125 Wed, Jul13 2011 12:04pm
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What's happened to the influence of Richard Taylor, Alan Lee and John Howe? These weapons are ridiculous! But Master Turambar is right - this is Del Toro's doing. Peter Jackson intimated in an interview recently that some of Del Toro's influnece would still show through in the final films (I assume that a return of some sort had to be realised from the money invested in design in DT's time). Still, we should count ourselves lucky - Del Toro seemingly wanted to make the entire movie a sort of Gothic steam-punk experience...
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