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#3801 Wed, Jun30 2010 9:35am

hsf62
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From: Australia
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Re: The Taproom

Next time I go to the bottle shop I get all the incridience and take then to my "mimi room" and give it a gooooooo.lol


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#3802 Wed, Jun30 2010 9:49am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Just for the record, the point I was originally making, several drinks ago, was not that avid enthusiasts like ourselves would give a gnat's whiskers whether or not the figures said 'Mithril' on them, but rather that we constitute a very small minority, and that a larger market indeed would be needed to justify the time and expense of such an exercise in commercial terms.


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#3803 Wed, Jun30 2010 11:11am

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

You are not wrong Master Barliman, but why did Chris sculpt the easterlings if it is to expensive to produce them????
That was the point I tryed to make before.... things don't make sense..... to many lose strings!


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#3804 Wed, Jun30 2010 11:33am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

He'll have made them because he'll have been paid by Mithril to do so, I imagine. What doesn't make sense is for Mithril to pay him for the design work and then not produce the figures. They might not have have made much of a profit, but they would have at least made enough to cover the costs involved. Or so I'd have thought.


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#3805 Wed, Jun30 2010 11:41am

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Of course Chris was paid by Mithril, I didn't think he would have made them just to put them up in a shelf....
And yes I aggree with you in regards production of them. At least some of the money spend would have come back.roll
I'm happy I'm not God, therefor I don't have to understand everything.tongue


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#3806 Wed, Jun30 2010 11:55am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

I don't understand anything.


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#3807 Wed, Jun30 2010 12:33pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

lollollol


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#3808 Wed, Jun30 2010 12:49pm

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Re: The Taproom

Holger, you have a PM behind your drinks.cool


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#3809 Wed, Jun30 2010 1:11pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Really Hicks tongue I'llll go and check cool

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#3810 Wed, Jun30 2010 2:36pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
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Re: The Taproom

hint :

haven't you seen that the Man is selling himself his own figurines and stocks... under HIS name and not under the mithril ebay shop...
haven't you seen he is working to produce "Phaeton" design... miniatures to be able to release them by himself...

thus... do you really think that, at the moment, Mithril is paying the Man what they used to pay him... I am certain part of his income is due to the sales.... if what he sculpts is not put into production I'm afraid he does not gain a lot of money...

If you consider that the man himself prefers to work on Phaeton at the moment - to get money - because he clearly sees that Mithril does not release his own work...(and thus less money for him too)... well, that explains much

Still, all of us may like the man's work... still it would be a great loss if the mithril tolkien licence was lost... I can always pretend that a Cuchulain is a dunlending or queen mehb some sort of Alustiriel or so... well, it will only be what we assume it to be...

we have to think about all those people who are there , waiting to discover Mithril... potentially interested. What will you tell them? "hey, you see this roman centurion from Julius Caesar army? well it is actually Isildur!!! yes yes I assure you!" nobody will believe it except our very limited circle of collectors/chris' fans...
And if people begin to believe it strongly... well, Middle Earth Enterprise will say 'oh, then you release tolkien stuff without using the licence? perfect.... we put you on trial... we'll make you close your enterprise and endup totally bankrupt, at mithril"...

I extrapolate into drama.... indeed, but that's what could happen if we all loose the focus on the fact there is the "Tolkien Licence" that is ALSO very very important besides the man's work... losing it and GW will have totally won their struggle...

I prefer to work on strong marketing, a blackout of sales for one year or two if need be... selling other products, sparing some money to rebuild a site and prepare a strong marketing campaign, and when all is ready... "go go go!"

For those who like Chris work, be relieved... a complete range of Irish Iron-Age heroes in 32mm referenced "PIx" (x stands for the ref number) will soon appear...
I have a pic or two, and I will use this site to add them in a new category of the database...

So there will be products... but these products, though matching the Mithril style, won't be tolkien related. There also may be nordic mythologic references... but I can't say much about it yet...

"the destroyer of dwarves" project has been postponed and eventually canceled due to risks involved in copyrights...

I'd like to insist that the fact Lars took the decision -finally- to remake totally all the Prince August websites into something strong and dynamic is one of the best news in the last two or three years for Mithril future.... So let's sit and wait for a while.... it's too hot out there

do you have some iced tea from Forochel my dear Butterburr? Soon we'll have to celebrate the 10000th visit on the Mithril Faerylands site!


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3811 Wed, Jun30 2010 2:57pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Very interesting news indeed!

Thank you Master Gildor!

Last edited by hsf62 (Wed, Jun30 2010 2:58pm)


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#3812 Wed, Jun30 2010 4:26pm

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

I suspect that several of us already knew about the Irish range (I helped Chris find some of his research material), but I wasn't sure how he was going to market them, so that's interesting.

As for fantasy Nordic stuff, it may become all the rage shortly, what with the upcoming "Thor" movie and all.


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#3813 Wed, Jun30 2010 6:11pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

lol master innkeeper... right you are indeed about the new movie coming smile ...

true... true... but what about my iced tea? wink


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3814 Wed, Jun30 2010 6:27pm

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Sorry, I'll get Nob to it now - though with the heatwave we've got here it's likely to be hot before it arrives.


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#3815 Wed, Jun30 2010 8:15pm

Thingol
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Re: The Taproom

.... thanks Master Gildor for lot's of nice useful and important information for all of us who doubt about all problems connected with mithril miniatures production...

also on mithril site is presented Eowyn and Hirluin... 100% exceptional figures... Hirluin look spectacular....  !!!!!!!


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#3816 Wed, Jun30 2010 9:33pm

ddaines
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Re: The Taproom

hsf62 wrote:

In general I have to say people are pretty stupid. Well that what it seems to me anyway. There are to many things in this whole Mithril thing with all lose ends and nobody seems to be able to put a knot in those ends.
I wouldn't care if these minis have a Mithril stamp in the base or not, as long as Chris desighned them.
The unreleased dwarfes don't have anything on the base and still, they all sold and not for a small ammount eighter.
The elf vignette, the dancing elf girl..... and I'm sure if you Gildor would put one of the "Born of Hope" on ebay you would be surprised how much you could get for it. None of them are Mithril, but they are done by the man and this is the important thing. I will keep buying figures from Chris if he puts a "Phaeton" up for sale, just because I love his style, not because of a Mithril stamp.
Just my thoughts and I don't really care if someone else agrees or not.

I agree with Holger's view - if it is Chris's design I am up for it, it is the sculptor NOT the name under the base; if Chris and Mithril parted company and a new designer came in then I would more than likely part company as well with Mithril.

Mithril (with a couple of exceptions) are the only small scale figures I collect, originally because they just happened to be Tolkien related, but also because I have built up a great respect for Chris's work and designs; that's not to say that I buy all Mithrils/CT designed figures, and some characters/craetures perhaps do not lend themselves to Chris's style of sculpting IMHO, but that is just that, my opinion.

As I  have said before I consider myself a collector of Mithril's, collecting those figures which I can see a use for in a scenic setting, not a Collector where I need a complete collection of what Mithril have produced. If Chris were to go it alone with Phaeton and the figures looked Tolkien-like I would be more than happy to collect if I can see Tolkien potential in the figure (providing the price was reasonable wink )

The mention of the Irish 'mob' sounds really interesting and if I can use them for my purposes as they are Tubb designs then they are fair game to mix with Mithrils in my desire to create small dioramas and scenes from the books.

Anyhow, now I have left the memories of my holiday behind me, I hope to crack on where I left off, and get the UP finished lol

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#3817 Wed, Jun30 2010 9:44pm

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Hey, I never said you could have a holiday! You need to be earning money so that you can pay your bar tab.


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#3818 Thu, Jul1 2010 8:34am

Turambar
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From: Germany
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Re: The Taproom

A very interesting, ingenious and rare fellowship figure will see daylight in the future
( and be aware of the fact, that this extraordinary miniature can be only bought if you are a member in the mithril fellowship !) :

A  WOLFRIDER !


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The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#3819 Thu, Jul1 2010 9:08am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

I too shall wait to see in what way this wolf-rider will differ from the other wolf-riders. I can only suppose - if Chris stays with the 'style' he's developed for the Isengard orcs - that he'll be a raggedy-arsed individual with no armour and minimal equipment. Otherwise he'll look just like the others - which would be disappointing.


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#3820 Thu, Jul1 2010 9:41am

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

. . .like a scout, so to say?! Why not, in this case. Let´s have trust in the Man´s skill !!!!

Let´s see, what the Master Caster say . . .

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#3821 Thu, Jul1 2010 11:04am

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: The Taproom

well... I suppose that means we won't have another wolfrider suggestion for a while now that it has (finally) won... hopefully it will leave some "chances" to other suggestions that have never ever been produced... not even in the "regular" ranges......

(sorry for the sarcasm)


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3822 Thu, Jul1 2010 12:08pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

My idea for the next witch king is the way he looks after Eowyn finished him of.... a pile of ash!
Easy to sculpt, no large mould nor a large ammount of metal needed to cast "IT". 
Approx € 5.00 The chaepest version of a GF figure.....lollollol


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#3823 Thu, Jul1 2010 12:13pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

What do you mean with "Let´s see, what the Master Caster say . . ." Master Archer? Regarding the wulfrider?
Well, what can I say? I think everything has been said already. A standard bearer would have been nice, but I made my own already, so lets wait and see what Chris comes up with. smile


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#3824 Thu, Jul1 2010 12:20pm

shadyt
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From: Indiana, USA
Registered: Mon, Feb4 2008
Posts: 458

Re: The Taproom

I suspect that the wolfrider will wear the "toga-like" tunic such as worn by the LT9 & LT10 orcs. A small straight sword, a small round shield and a unique helmet. Hopefully also a small pouch or bag and a dagger on his harness.

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#3825 Thu, Jul1 2010 12:50pm

shadyt
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From: Indiana, USA
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Re: The Taproom

Yes, a standard bearer would have been nice, the very first wolfrider that i ever suggested in the fellowship was a standard bearer. But there have been many standard bearers made lately and several fellows saying they were tired of all of the standardbearers. I wanted Bolg's standard bearer on a wolf and if he had not just been made on foot I would have suggested him specificaly. If I had made that suggestion I do not believe that I would have won the vote.

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