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Huoommmmrhuoomm ... I see ... I'll have to consider that ... huomm ... not today, of course, as it might take time ... rhuoomm ... maybe even a lot of time ... hoooommmmm ... one day I'll do that, be sure ... rrrhuooommhuom ...

Lossoth Ice sounds like a good business venture.

I agree with you master barliman, that's why I am enthousiast when I see other play it   I just can't do it myself, I would feel guilty

many things are known though about the fall of Fornost and the rise of Angmar... about Glorfindel's prophecy about hypothesis on what happened to the barrow downs afterwards precisely, about the fall of the capital of Arnor and the exile of Arvedui...
there are texts here and there... in the HoME too... and it would be hard to respect all of these texts precisely... the story is not our our to write, this is not our world it belongs to someone else

Regarding the canon discussion, I often consider something like a multiverse concept, a story tree with countless coexisting future branches. In my opinion, this is reflected in Mythos, and also Tolkien's opus -- especially with "H"oME we actually have tales and fragments from several possible histories, just follow the different variants of stories, languages and etymologies from the beginning; therefore, carefully adapting storylines to create further story branches  (albeit "in style" per favore -- and here, I agree, things get very complicated, and perhaps better left undone ) appears to me at least be similar in spirit to Tolkien's own creative process, and the embrace of "uncertainty". But I definitely respect contrary views on this. Just trying to offer "canonists" a path to gaming in ME.

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Huoommm ... rhuoommm ... as for me, tree, sometimes in Bree, I just decided to be a bit more precise about my home ... rhuooommmm ... so I added a name  ... huoom ... "Osning" that is ... rhuuoooommmm ... it's an old name for the forest I live in ... huoommm ... you cannot find that name on any map nowadays, but it's for sure the name of the forest I still live in .... huomgruoomm ... ahem ... errr ... Master Barliman? ... may I please once again have one of that topped-up-bowls-with-clear-clean-honey-coloured-non-sparkeling-watery-liquid ... ? ... huom ... and don't ry to sell me tabs, please, as this is a taproom ... rhuoommm ... whatever that means ... huooooommm

No, no, Master Ent, I will refrain from further pursuing such topics (only adding as a last thought that such a multiverse may or may not "exist "regardless if it is mentioned by Grandmaster Tolkien or not; but in how many of them my Humpen is empty? Well, THAT is a grave matter!) ... and will now work on increasing my drunkenness to an acceptable level. Cheers to all!

I'm not one to leave a Humpen empty, whatever size it may be. And on a hot day like this, I'm not one to worry overmuch about the coiny things either. Let's just all sit out in the yard, under the shade of the Tree (sorry, Master Tree, bit you'll have to stand still for a while and be unhasty!) and drink a refreshing round of whatever liquid takes your fancy.

Alas, we have no one like Master Archer's beautiful Italian-background-third-generation-living-in-Germany-dark-haired-slim-girl-wearing-high-heels, only that rogue Nob to bring us a trayload of amber nectar, and he doesn't wear heels of any sort. Still, serious discussions are thirsty work, and someone has to bring the drinks.

*for the first time in eons (almost a year now...) the master elf opens up his working case, takes some pencils and some colors.... and.... begins to paint some figurines.... while drinking some fresh drinks brought to him by Nob...*

miracles happen sometimes... It's been too long... since before my child was born...

Cheers Master elf, and don't forget to show us some off your new paintings. Being a father changes the way we see the world, therefore your painting also !

protozeus wrote:

Regarding the canon discussion, I often consider something like a multiverse concept, a story tree with countless coexisting future branches. In my opinion, this is reflected in Mythos, and also Tolkien's opus -- especially with "H"oME we actually have tales and fragments from several possible histories, just follow the different variants of stories, languages and etymologies from the beginning; therefore, carefully adapting storylines to create further story branches  (albeit "in style" per favore -- and here, I agree, things get very complicated, and perhaps better left undone ) appears to me at least be similar in spirit to Tolkien's own creative process, and the embrace of "uncertainty". But I definitely respect contrary views on this. Just trying to offer "canonists" a path to gaming in ME.

Or indeed, to quote the master himself:

"I would draw some of the great tales in fullness,
and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched.
The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole,
and yet leave scope for other minds and hands,
wielding paint and music and drama..."
- John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, from a letter written to Milton Waldman, ca. 1951

Considering how bare bones and contradictory much of the work beyond the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings itself can be, I suspect there's no contradiction between being a purist and one willing to tinker around in the background of the legendarium.

indeed master Gavin,  assuming you are SURE you "tinker"  things that have not been already written... somewhere...
the BIGGEST example and error was from Pete Fenlon when he designed the full map of Endor without taking into consideration the maps from Tolkien himself that were published in "the shaping of middle earth" a few years later and which were totally different indeed... This was an abomination but it could be excused because HoME 4 was not published at that time... Still the purist will say "you'd better not build yourself because you don't know all that's been built already..."


and as I said, only a very few people... can be certain to NOT rewrite something.... because we don't know if all manuscripts have been released and all works known to all...

*returns to his drink*

well debating this is surely pointless as I consider myself closer to Christopher Tolkien way of thinking than from the "other minds and hands" Maybe it's because I also take care of a Tolkien encyclopedia website & community besides Mithril

Thus you are right master Gavin... I agree with you, "a game about dynastic struggles in the last years of Arthedain isn't going to contradict anything worthwile". That's correct.

As for me, the simple fact you use the word "worthwile" in this precise sentence forbids my "purist way of thinking" to play such games ... As I have stated elsewhere many times... I have nothing against people who do!! I just can't myself...
Besides, I like the Nazgul names and backgrounds and after all I have the full collection of MECCG cards too so I am not totally a desperate case

well, my throat is too dry to carry on this debate
You win master Gavin and Protozeus (though there was no real fight/debate to win as I was just explaining why I, and only I, could not give in playing such games)