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All in all you can't tell us very much at all, then, so I won't ask. Oh, and today's "by the way" is that personally I've always thought of the Variags as more Pecheneg/Kazak than Mongol-looking, but if pressed I won't tell you that. Happily, as Master Thingol has already said, that's the joy of allowing our imaginations the room to run free. Mind you, mine has run so far that I haven't seen it for a while, but I'm sure it'll come back when it gets hungry.
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Oh I didn't know the Variags where imported from Russia....

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Hello Holger,
Check your PM.
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Huoooommmm ... why discuss the choice The Man made ... huom ... concerning this matter, as for me, it is important to know that what he chose might cover his interest in sculpting a certain figure once he had the choice ... rhuoommm ... I do remember well his interest and enthusiasm that in the end lead to the UP as it is now ... hom ...
Besides, I just received the HurĂn-figure ... huoommm ... I always thought "Ah, another Gondorian officer" ... huom ... now I have to witness that the figure is excellent ... rhuoommm ...
same with that carynx-blowing-Dunlending fellow ... huomrhuooommmm ...
As for the vote on the GF board again, some days ago I tried to point out what will happen as there are some rules about that voting ... hoommm ... why that Variag? you ask? ... rhuom ... I dare to guess that for The Man it might be more interesting to sculpt a "new" figure which means more of a challenge than just to vary one of hundreds of orc-poses existing and adding different details ... rhuoommm ... just my thoughts ... hom
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You are right indeed Master Ent!
And as I wrote on the GF board, the mounted Variag is waiting for a friend...

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I thought he might be frustrated with Easterling types, what with the long-delayed Easterling M series, but perhaps he sees the GF figure as an opportunity to enable us to see at least something of the sttyle he has developed for them.
Clearly he must prefer the Variag to Mauhur, or he wouldn't have chosen him. Still, I'd still have preferred to see an actual named character from the book rather than another generic jobbie.
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I added my suggestion in mount doom again. I wish it will get good support one day. a very nice diorama is missing in this place...
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Huooommmm ... Master Barliman, that's for sure ... huom ... I also would rather have welcomed some Variag army instead of having just one bowman who obviously lost his mount ... rhuom ...
we know that Tolkien's imaginations and thoughts about "Easterlings" might cover a wide range of peoples and their different origins ... rhuoom ... but this was discussed around here several times ... huoommm ...
hoommm ... I doubt that this coming MS-figure will reveil anything of that "forgotten" M-Easterling series ... rhuoommm ... just a guess, of course ... hoooooommmm ...
Rhhuuuooommm ... hom ... as for the discussion (again) whether to have only named actual characters from the book as suggestions on that goldie-board, rather than have more of them what you called, 'generic jobbies' ... huommmm ... I cannot completely agree ... huom ... if that were a restriction to suggestions on the goldie-board, we would not have a Lossoth hunter or a camel-rider attacking a Gondorian ... huoommm ... etc. ... hom ... you know what I mean ...
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Indeedy:
Variag is the same word as Varangian, hence Varangian guard. There's a fascinating history of political identity politics going on in Russia as to whether the Russian people were "essentially" Swedes (AKA "Rus" AKA Vikings AKA Varangians) or Slavs. A great way to get into trouble during the communist era was to dig up a Viking town and say "hey, this looks like the Swedes made it"
As for the Pechenegs, I'd thought the good barman and I had decided they were a good parallel with the Wainriders :p
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Master Tree, I didn't say we shouldn't have suggestions for generics - I just personally will always favour a named character when it comes to voting (so long as he isn't yet another Witchking, of course, or Gandalf brushing his teeth or something...).
And yes, Master Gavin, I do seem to remember the Pechenegs/Patzinaks coming up in an earlier chat, now that you mention it, I just don't always remember these things, alas (memory like a lumber room, etc). One oddity of it all, though, so far as JRRT and Variags/Varangians go, is that in LOTR he doesn't join the dots as regards the Variags of Khand mentioned at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and the "Men of a new sort...broad and grim, bearded like Dwarves, wielding great axes" (as good a description of Varangians as any Saga might muster) that are reported by Ingold. Do you think he might have believed the link to be implicit?
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I suspect so.
The other thought I had is that they are described as the Variags OF Khand, not the men of Khand. So that these Variags are just one part of the forces used in Khand, or at least one of the tribes. And since the guys "bearded with great axes" attack Cair Andros, one could assume that they come from the northern approaches to Mordor. Which would lead me to suspect that there's some sort of trade route or something, down from the north, past Rhun and Mordor to Khand. And the Variags come down that route to fight in Khand's wars.
For the uninitiated, the Varangian guard, the viking defenders of the emporer of Byzantium were always described as being heavily beaded and they all carried these huge axes. The later English Huscarls were probably modelled on the Varangian Guard, and there seems to have been a lot of crossover. Certainly after 1066, lots of English elite soldiers fetched up in Byzantium. They even had a few replays of Normans vs English over there. (The Varangians lost)
So I do suspect the Variags are (or were, formerly) a tribe of Northmen, or even a type of Northmen, who fought alongside the forces of evil for money alongside the "proper" Easterlings and the "proper" Southrons.
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Bloody Normans (sorry, slipped into a bit of Bree dialect there).
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Barliman wrote:
Bloody Normans (sorry, slipped into a bit of Bree dialect there).
Been watching the Beeb's Norman series, have we? 
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Actually, not yet, though I've got it recorded on my Sky box to watch some time.
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Have you noticed the similarity of the new M released dunnish warrior and the M008 ?!
I think this is con-genious!
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Good, isn't it?
I do, eventually, want to collect a Mithril Dunland warband, complete with trackers, scouts, shamans, Carynx players and so on. These guys will have more Celt/Pict looking shields. If I am still willing, later, I'll collect a Dunnish warband in Saruman's service, with the big hexagonal White Hand shields.
Some of these guys might make excellent Beornings, too.
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I have also notice this Christoph... this is the proof that master Man still have saved all memories deep into his mind drawers... like a Napoleon....
and about HD2 soon we would see another part of this release.... strawheads ! I'm really curious....
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Thingol wrote:
I have also notice this Christoph... this is the proof that master Man still have saved all memories deep into his mind drawers... like a Napoleon....
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and about HD2 soon we would see another part of this release.... strawheads ! I'm really curious....
(or that he is using my database when he has to look for prior ideas and releases to find inspiration *whistle...* (which he told me he was doing
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Saves having to remember, which becomes steadily more difficult as the years go by. Why, I often get down into the cellar and can't remember why I've gone down there. So I just pop a couple more dead rats in the scrumpy vat and come back up here until I remember. That's why the scrumpy has more body these days. Literally.
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Huuooommmrhuoommm .... Ent enters ...
Ent (*wistles, too, and smiles*)
Huoommm ... I know, Master Gildor. There you had a qualified reaction for what such a
database might be good for. Rhuoohmmm.
( exit Ent)
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That or act better in them. Your performance was definitely wooden.
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Huoommmm ... just a lack of rehearsal meseems, Master Barliman ... anyway, I'll try to improve ... rhuoommm ... not wooden ... more energy, enthusiasm ... better poses and gestures ...
huoommm ... that's what you mean ... but ... give me time, please, as I cannot haste all this - as you might know ... rhuuooommmmmmmmmmm ...
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Enter Archer:
Set: the cellar:
"mmh , what is the reason of my stay here in the cellar . . .? "
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