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#301 Thu, Feb10 2011 1:12pm

hsf62
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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

And I alway thought trolls, like orcs just popp out of the ground and don't have females or kids, because they are not mentioned in a book......roll


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#302 Thu, Feb10 2011 1:18pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

I agree that this second version of troll, is much better angry troll.... are the trolls and orcs are some kind something.... of devil's vegetables roll. Bound from holes and grow from the soil... in dirty and dark corners of the earth....

middle earth... I think....

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#303 Thu, Feb10 2011 1:49pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

They must be Master Nino! lol


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#304 Thu, Feb10 2011 3:32pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

trolls are simply misunderstood, which is no surprise as hardly anybody bothers to learn their language -- they like practical jokes and spicy food and are generally fun folk. big_smile

master caster, just because something isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it's not there. smile


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#305 Thu, Feb10 2011 3:35pm

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That's it, Master Caster. Perfect now.

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#306 Thu, Feb10 2011 3:36pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Maybe we shall talk a bout these at the pony. ..


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#307 Mon, Feb14 2011 11:50am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

cameosis wrote:

master caster, just because something isn't mentioned, doesn't mean it's not there. smile

Lol, I think you speak to many languages....
This was meant as a joke. It's just that we have collectors here, they don't like "things" not mentioned in Tolkien books. So as for instance a troll woman would not exist because Master Tolkien didn't write about it.... roll
Luchy he mentioned the sun. Otherwise it would be a very dark story.lol


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#308 Mon, Feb14 2011 3:03pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

well actually, if we consider that trolls are transformed versions of ents...(though I find it odd but well this is what is said)  and since we know about the entwives... I suppose there could be female trolls...

as I .... suppose .... it could be the same for the "first breeds" of orcs at least.... though someone will have to explain me how a race can achieve such reproductions rates if they follow the rythms of other races child-bearing....
Maybe orc females can carry up to 5 orclings and are pregnant for only 1 week?


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#309 Mon, Feb14 2011 4:09pm

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Error .... err...  wasn't it me, the tree, once suggesting a "female orc" for an MS-release .... I do remember well the discussion that caused ... a joke that was then, of course ... though ... anyway ...
so "Trolls are transformed versions of Ents"? you said, Master Elf. Alas, this simply means that trees are older than Trolls. And who was it who intended to transform a tree to being a Troll? Give your answer to this, please.
As for Entwives, they're not a myth at all. At least I know one of them living pleasurely and lovingly at my place .... but that is what Master J.R.R.Tolkien couldn't know when he started to write that novels ...
huoommmm ... "transformed versions of Ents" ... a hard one that is, Master Elf ... and trees are not known for lack of rememberance ... not at all ... rhuoommm ... wink

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#310 Mon, Feb14 2011 4:22pm

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To me, Trolls a much more natural race than Orc which were created using evil skills.
Trolls like Bert, Tom & William almost look and behave like brothers, which makes me thinks they could have a mum'.
Whereas an orc's mummy is more difficult to imagine isn't it ?


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#311 Mon, Feb14 2011 4:25pm

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I just checked on Wikipedia.
Have a look at the illustration legend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll
You see, this is exactly what I am talking about lol.

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#312 Mon, Feb14 2011 6:53pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

hsf62 wrote:

Lol, I think you speak to many languages....

you know what, there are times where i am mor than inclined to agree with you!

hsf62 wrote:

This was meant as a joke. It's just that we have collectors here, they don't like "things" not mentioned in Tolkien books. So as for instance a troll woman would not exist because Master Tolkien didn't write about it.... roll
Luchy he mentioned the sun. Otherwise it would be a very dark story.lol

thanks for clarifying -- i'm familiar with purists -- there are lots of them in jazz circles ... to me, they don't understand or feel the music and then want to compensate for that with obsessive-compulsive definitions as to what is considered "jazz" or "acceptable." roll

the funny thing is that when i read "the hobbit" and "the lord of the rings" (i was 13 at the time) the most fascinating characters to me were the trolls -- and given the little space they got in tolkien's works that's saying something. tolkien's story is just that, a story by someone who more or less used it as a vehicle to elaborate on elven linguistics, no less -- there is no right or wrong in fantasy. i take his work as a basis and reshape it to my liking, just as i do with everything else.

regarding trolls, i much prefer the nordic versions (norwegian and swedish trolls differ from one another) / background history, which does them more justice as a faery race ... and according to lore, their females are stunningly beautiful. but that's yet another story. big_smile


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#313 Tue, Feb15 2011 9:09am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Off topic, I would say . . . . big_smile


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#314 Sun, Mar6 2011 9:07am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

one picture on your territory dear friend.... conversion of M45 with some additional parts from down under.... smile

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#315 Sun, Mar6 2011 11:16am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

I like that very much indeed. What a great conversion! Especially the skul is fantstic! A great idea!
Also a great painting-work, Nino! And I like how you covered the base . . .  smile
Superb!


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#316 Sun, Mar6 2011 8:43pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

This Orc reminds me something wink
Great result Master gardener.


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#317 Mon, Mar7 2011 2:03am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Very nice Conversion Orc!

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#318 Mon, Mar7 2011 11:56am

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

That axe looks somehow familiar..... lol
Great work and painting Nino! Very nice!cool


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#319 Tue, Mar22 2011 2:40pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Work in progress!
Far Harad still!
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A Gondorian officer will become a standard bearer. wink

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#320 Tue, Mar22 2011 4:42pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Wow! That is a lot of converting, getting rid of the armor. Very Nice!

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#321 Tue, Mar22 2011 5:14pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

I'm really looking forward to the final figure, Master Caster lol Great conversion so far.

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#322 Tue, Mar22 2011 6:11pm

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These conversions are always inspiring - keep up the good work folks wink

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#323 Tue, Mar22 2011 6:34pm

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Re: Old and New Mithril converted

Impressive ! I have often used this word in this magnificent conversion topic.... !!!


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#324 Tue, Mar22 2011 7:45pm

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Well, as far as I know, Master Thingol, it will not be the last time for you to have used that word. wink

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#325 Tue, Mar22 2011 7:50pm

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I am sure my dear friend.... I'm sure smile


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