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well I assume you're right about the limits, after all, I suppose that all of GF members have good taste about what to choose or not to vote for which in itself is far enough
but "assassins of dol amroth".... seems to oppose this statement... if we consider it is winning the vote...
Mithril won't have problem with Tolkien Enterprise since they own ICE licences, but with the community of tolkien fans... and in regard of the tolkien estate, that won't do anything to help promote its image... After all, the main cause behind the fact Mithril is badly seen by Christopher Tolkien is because it is viewed as an ICE subproduct and nothing else, and the Tolkien family tends to hate any of JRRT suberversion, beginning with ICE... (even now that MERP is dead)
After all, Tolkien Enterprises themselves sometimes have problems with Tolkien Estate, concerning "extended tolkien universe" names and concepts...
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Hello, well it seems that the female assassin has generated some heated debate; to that I say GOOD!
It would be a terrible idea to regulate which ideas could be submitted and which couldn't. That somehow suggests that the will of the majority should not prevail in our membership. And I don't believe for a minute that Mithril and Chris would ever seriously consider it. And why would they, it would reduce interest and membership the moment it was instituted. Look what happened with Michael's attempt to even just narrow things to a specific race, such as Dwarves. We already have many members frustrated that we are limited to single, mounted etc. months, but at least we can accept that due to an understanding that Chris has a heavy workload. Say a list was put together, where would one draw the line? Could we have Elessar holding Eldarion, even if it was never specifically mentioned in the body of the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit? What about the Apendices, Unfinished Tales, even the History of Middle-earth series?
No, the real problem is that we are not getting enough good suggestions each month (only nine this time), and are rehashing various characters over and over. This, in my opinion is why a female assassin or a half-troll standard bearer are of some interest to many. Truth be told, I feel that it is important to try and suggest something every month, and wish others would too. This past deadline came upon me fast, and I felt it better to throw something in the ring than just sit there and do nothing. I do not expect everyone to like every suggestion--I certainly don't, but I hope all of those voicing an opinion would make an effort to make a suggestion every month.
In fact, my suggestion is not original at all. It is based upon the cover of Assassins of Dol Amroth by MERP, as some have mentioned above, and I thought it might be a nice compliment to the upcoming Dol Amroth release. It certainly has nothing to do with trying to get a specific role-playing figure--there are many miniature female assassin types out there to buy for that.
No, this has much more to do with several previous email conversations with Chris about the lack of certain character types, especially females and Humans from the many other geographic areas outside of Eastern Gondor, Rohan, and Eriador. In the past, he enjoyed producing those kinds of figures very much. And we have seen a move in this direction: Lossarnach, Corsairs, soon Dol Amroth and Easterlings, not to mention the recent MERP-based series.
So please, vote for who you like best, but please also help make ours a better Fellowship by making monthly suggestions!
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I have put suggestions for two years, I have got the chance to have two of my suggestion come to life. Lately, it has been months I have not given any suggestion?
Why?
simply because all of my desires are only vignettes at the moment, I can't imagine any idea about solo figurines that has not been cast yet or If I do, I have clearly seen the result of the public opinion and took upon myself not to resubmit it (I honestly doubt an idea who gains only 2 votes out of 60 would miraculously get 40 votes out of 60 the next month.)
Lately I have other focuses than Mithril and the Gold fellowship so I vote, I read suggestions but I do not submit many ideas. Therefore indeed I thought and still think I have (had) the right to put an opinion even if I did not submit any suggestion on purpose . I only submit suggestions when the month allows... which means that I can only voice my "real desires" three times a year, and have a very small probability of winning Still i'll remain a GF member , in order to have access to the vote and to the figurines... But I have renounced the idea of having my suggestions come to life
It simply cannot anymore..
and after all, that does not matter that much....Sauron vs Elendil & Isildur gave me joy enough for years.... and years to come...
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You shouldn't give up on making suggestions just because they might only get two votes, Master Gildor! Just look at Eorl - I think I had to suggest him about half a dozen times before he got made, and I seem to recall that he only picked up about three votes on his first couple of outings. My Ingold suggestion has only picked up a couple of votes when I've put him up too, but I shan't give up on him - the only reason he didn't get suggested this month was because I was away when suggestions were being made. As someone said to me many years ago, you can't win a competition unless you enter it - so keep trying!
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yes mater barliman, but you must also consider the fact that I am satisfied with what i have been given already, I was one of the very early "suggestion winner" of the GF, and I got this opportunity twice, so I think others should have their chances too, I have been given enough satisfaction already... Besides, my suggestions are mainly vignettes as I said, I submit them, but only when vignettes are allowed
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Gildor Inglorion wrote:
yes mater barliman, but you must also consider the fact that I am satisfied with what i have been given already, I was one of the very early "suggestion winner" of the GF, and I got this opportunity twice, so I think others should have their chances too, I have been given enough satisfaction already... Besides, my suggestions are mainly vignettes
as I said, I submit them, but only when vignettes are allowed
Mae govannen Gildor and Barliman,
as you are much closer to Chris than me, you must know, that Chris is surely having an eye on the GF boards and especially to the suggestions we gave and give. Therefore I think that some ideas will come true in future in form of small lead figures. Even an artist as Chris needs some inspiration and that is what we give. Ingold and Hirgon for example never reached high in votings, but could lead Chris to an M-series "Minas Tirith II" or "dawn at Pelennor"- that's what I hope. I also hope to see one day a series or boxed set "Orc heroes", which would surely be popular among other tabletop or lord of the rings fans or collectors, so I will again and again suggest sometimes some Orcish thing.
So do not worry, and help us all (as you did before) suggest named characters
NAMARIE
estel
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Huuooommmrhuomm ... hom ... you might remember that until now I never suggested a figure ... rhuoomm ... this is passive behaviour, methinks ... hom ... but let me please mention that so far I never missed giving my vote since the Gold-fellowship exists ... huuoommm ... which might be regarded as active behaviour ... hom ... I restrict from suggesting because, believe it or not, I just like to see suggestions being transferred into tiny metal things and so far I do not regret having bought each of them .... rhuoommm .... once there is a more or less clear idea of a figure I support that idea as much as I can ... rhuoommm... I still remember good old Frumgar and recently Imrahil ... rhuoommmhuom ... hom ... so I'm absolutely pleased ... as you can imagine .... rhuommm ... still I will keep on voting or commenting matters concerning those tiny metal things .... hom! ...
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well I see that Master Tree shares my point of view, and behavior
as for knowing Chris... I have not been in direct contact with him for more than a year... he is a busy man and I don't want to annoy him with other mails...
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I like the idea of a Minas Tirith II series, Master Estel. Problem is, I suspect, that The Man has desires and ideas of his own, and less hands than he'd like! Still, we can live in hope.
Does anyone have any idea exactly what the next range after the Dol Amroth and Easterling gentlemen is going to be? I seem to recall our Tree muttering about it a while back, but I can't recall now what he said (my memory continues to deteriorate at an alarming rate).
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Huuooommmmm ... as about the contact with The Man I can assure you that there is none at the moment ... hom ... for a long time now ... rhuoomm ... yes, Master Barliman, your memory is not that bad as you always try to pretend ... rhuoomm ... a while ago I muttered something about plans about a new M-series, I did ... rhuoommm ... but now I will not repeat again what I said, because I'm doubting too much about what I faced as facts and what then turned out to be rumours .... huooom.... let me explain, please ..... hooomm ... first of all, The Man is busy and has got just two hands, as you wisely found out, Master Barliman then we are awaiting the Easterlings for about a year by now ... hom ... in between the Dol Amroth guys were announced .... right? ...
of the lost dwarven army only the three of the command saw the light so far, though it was announced that the army will see the light again ... huoommm ... then there was the habit of releasing Christmas figures I tried to insist on ... huoommrhuommhom ... one appeared late, a very tiny one, meseems ... the other matter I tried to bring back to minds was about the second free figure for the second year of the gold-fellowship members ... rhuoommm ... then just remember how many GF-figures are still planned .... huoomm ... must be about eight or nine by now ... that might turn out to be one year of delay ... hom... two hands, you witnessed .... right.
So just imagine how many of that coiny things will be necessary to buy all that .... or do you know? ... alas ... while reading all those entries and discussions about new ideas for those tiny miniatures I have become even more patient ... rhuoommm ... I'd rather like a year of non-voting and suggesting to keep up with the schedule ... rhuoomm ... yes, I know that this idea is not business-born ... huoommm ...
Just to stop my gabble, Master Barliman, could you please hand over a bowl of that clear clean water? .... huoommm ... the one with the amber-colour, please ... hom
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Alas, I go for the same conclusion as master ent here... it seems the man is overwhelmed, and each month suggestion in addition, creates more and more delay...
Maybe a pause in suggestion and voting for some months would help put back the schedule in place.... Mithril can't take this decision on their side because they have a "contract with us" about giving us the possibility to suggest AND have necessarily one figurine "planned" each month... maybe if all of us GF members, do take upon ourself to suggest a PAUSE in the GF voting... they would appreciate it... after all, creating too much delay is not good at all either for their business.. helping them reduce this delay will help them release more "regular" figurines in the ends... and "breathe" ....
Could we imagine... submitting a pause to Michael? Would everyone agree to that?... this would have to be a unanimity decision, because if a single member wants to be able to suggest... it is his full right, due to the terms of contracts with the GF membership... Alas, would we all agree for this sacrifice? can we trace down every single GF member to know if he agrees?
now would be the time, maybe, to ask the man himself about that... and what he feels towards that...
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I would certainly support a 'pause' if we're getting (albeit belatedly) the Fellowship figures only at the price of delaying future 'M' series releases - which may actually turn out be more interesting and desirable! Perhaps you should email Michael and suggest that he puts this idea up on the Fellowship site, and in the next newsletter, for a poll, to see if sufficient other members agree?
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Yes a break / pause could be a good solution.
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Huooommmm ... so it seems some of you do share my feelings and thoughts ... huoommm ...
I just dared to put into words what worries me most ... huoomm ... as you all know, haste is something that might hamper life in general ... so why be that hasty? ... rhuoommm ... isn't it better to relax and contemplate for a while ? .... rhuoommm ... which does not mean to stop communicating here or elsewhere .... hom ...
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Maybe Theobald could ask Michael about it... actually, I do not communicate with Mithril a lot lately, and I have not with Michael in general... If I'd been given the choice, I'd like Theobald to be the herald of this "suggestion" towards Mithril....
if you please, master ent?
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Huoommm ... of course I can contact Master O'Brian and The Man about these matters ... hom... I think that also Master Edman is very much involved in these matters .... rhuoomm... I just wanted to find out if I'm the only tree considering these matters ... hom ... so let me know, please what to do .... huoommm ... I'm going to head north in a few days ... again ... rhuoomm
to a place I know where's neither haste nor trouble ... huoommm .
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I have a proposition to submit then...
as you may remember, MMP has the capacity to host a Poll itself... maybe wa can make the poll here, before submitting it officially to Mithril?
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Does anyone know how many MMP members are also Fellowship members?
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I nearly put that suggestion forward myself after speaking to the Man at Salute and hearing about the back-log of figures building up, but I thought I would 'fall under a hail of arrows', so I kept quiet, but it would seem others are thinking along those lines as well so perhaps the time is right for us to suggest it rather than a decision by Mithril.
I personally think it would be a favour to CT to allow him to catch up with his schedules, do what else he needs to do etc. plus I also think it might be useful for those GF members who need to catch up with their committments to buy figures to have a breathing space.
My only concern would be how it would affect the Mithril Community (GF-wise) as apart from the threads relating to GF releases most of the other threads appear to have gone a bit quiet of late; I would hope that things wouldn't just die a natural death through lack of a common subject, i.e. What will be the next GF figure?
Incidently he didn't say what he would be working on after the current planned ranges, but he would love to do lots more figures.
Also what may be of interest regarding the approval process was the (ridiculous) suggestion by TE that on the underside of the figure bases every character should be named!! Apart from the space issue can you imagine if each (non book named) character had to have a personal name, Bill the Rohirrim footman, Ted the Knight of Dol Amroth, thankfully some common sense prevailed
Anyhow, for practical reasons, even if with a degree of reluctance, I would support the motion.
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Huoooommm ... so, meseems your worries match mine ... huom ... as the Man in the dark, the skilled artisan, the barkeep and the wandering elf seem to share my troubles ...huomm ... I will consider activities from my side ... rhuoommm ... but I dunno how it will Ent ... hom ...
Well, Master Barliman, I will have a look to answer your query about matching MMP and GF-members ... by the way you also could do that ... rhuoommm... might take an entisch minute ...
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Rhuuooommm ... sorry I cannot cope with reading all details ... rhuommm ... and evaluating all matches with ..... rhuuooomm ... sorry, but there's no time for such things .... huoommm ... I do hope you understand .... this, your question, might even top a Christmas-riddle .... rhuooom.
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Perhaps instead of a pause, a switch to bi-monthly voting and suggestions, so six figures a year instead of twelve. Still a nice opportunity for creative ideas, but less of a demand on Chris (and my pocketbook!)
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I agree with presto. Bi-monthly would probably help Chris a whole lot. Then we might get more M-series too! I still can't wait until the Dol Amroth get released!
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Oh, and hello everyone! I have been really busy with other things lately.
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These are many good ideas. But remember that Chris is kept very busy with the regular Prince August production. If he has less demand on his time from Mithril production, it may be that it will be taken up by other duties, and Chris might not end up with any additional time for himself, or to catch up with the FG backlog.
We should ask him directly if he'd like to take a pause, or perhaps stretch out the Mithril production cycle. Perhaps one of our members already has?
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