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#476 Thu, Jul3 2008 2:00pm

hsf62
Master Caster
From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

Thank you Master erchamion for the pic.
Now this is a nice Gandalf. Full of action!
I guess I need to buy this one!big_smile


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#477 Thu, Jul3 2008 5:31pm

presto247365
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Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 94

Re: The Taproom

Speaking of the size of Balrogs, here is a little Balrog review of different manufactures, dating from the late 70's to the GW Balrog.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/presto247365/balrog%20conv/Balrogs1.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b272/presto247365/balrog%20conv/Balrogs2.jpg

Back row, left to right are: the GW balrog,  a GW Dragonogre shaggoth that I'm converting into a Balrog, and a Grenadier Chaos Giant conversion into a balrog.

middle row:  Ral Partha "Ral, Lord of the Balrogs", Mithril MB300, PA fire demon.

Front row: unknown, old Ral Partha, Ral Partha armored balrog, really old Ral Partha, old Grenadier, another unknown, and a Grenadier similar to the one in the Sauron's Dark Ones' boxed set. 

It's interesting to me, all the different sizes and styles.  Not pictured is the Balrog from the old Citadel Bridge of Khazad-dum set, but it's packed away to remotely for me to retrieve easily. 

The Mithril is comparable in size to the GW models, but is sort of hunched over and has it's wings folded (one of which fell of before the picture), so it looks smaller.  The Dragon Ogre thingy will make an interesting model when done, but has required a lot of grinding off of the more ridiculous elements (like the little dudes in his hair) and a lot of sculpy work for flames. I'll post a more detailed accountof the whole converison process as it proceeds.

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#478 Thu, Jul3 2008 6:44pm

ddaines
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Posts: 1958

Re: The Taproom

I like the design of the Mithril Balrog (with or without wings!!!) certainly it fits my vision a damn sight closer than what the film came up with, although I do feel that it is over-size given that Ecthelion of the Fountain is supposed to have leapt upon one and 'spiked' it with his helmet (I think I have my facts right) and would have needed a spike the length of a sword to have done serious damage.

But I guess that Tolkien would have envisaged these creatures not necessarily all looking the same, so they may have come in all shapes and sizes (winged and un-winged wink)

I can't compare it with other offerings as I do not really collect other small scale figs as a rule.

You can still pick one up cheap on ebay Barli - Bought a second one for £5 (thelastnazgul), which I hope to convert to a more confronational pose on the bridge which is why the choice of Gandalf works out great for me.

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#479 Thu, Jul3 2008 8:35pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

If I can pick one up for that sort of price I'll get one anyway, I think, just to see it in the flesh (er, in the metal...).

That's quite a selection of Bogrolls, Master Presto. I'm mightily impressed. It kind of makes me wonder what your overall collection entails! I notice that you don't have one of the old Minifig balrogs, though - a very curious creation that looked like a circus lion on its hind legs toting a whip and a sword. Probably that's because the Minifigs range isn't heard of much - TE having shut down its production faster than an Elf on speed - and I don't think huge numbers got sold. I used to have a couple of hundred of the little devils (they were 20mm scale) but idiotically sold them for a pittance during one of my occasional lapses of concentration about 20 years ago. Some of the figures were rather good, if simplistic, but some were utter dog-business.


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#480 Fri, Jul4 2008 3:48am

presto247365
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Re: The Taproom

I don't know what got me started on a yen for collecting Balrogs.  Probably just the sheer variety, which i think is entirely justified in Tolkien's universe.   

Early ideas of the Moria Balrog made him more mannish, and "no more than man high"  (HOME vol 7 pg 197)  So there we have the little guys.

Then there is the description of "sudden host of Balrogs"  (HOME vol 10, pg 75)  so there we have license for many.  On page 80 of the same book, there is mentioned "about three balrogs, no more than seven"  which contrasts the earlier ideas of multitudes.  However this concludes with Melkor having created "Many other monsters of divers shapes and kinds that long troubled the world."

So sifting through all of that, I envision seven "greater" balrogs, including the chief baddy,  Gothmog.  These would be the larger Mithril and GW types.  Than there could be a host of "lesser" balrogs, which I could easily envision being involved in the sack of Gondolin and other such tragedies.  Good fun!

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#481 Fri, Jul4 2008 8:18am

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: The Taproom

well you must not forget that Balrogs are Valaraukar corrupted and they can't change their fana anymore after their "banishment" from the Maiar order. They were like Arien in the beginning, maiar of Fire, followers of Varda "Elbereth"if I remember well, and could assume any "fana" they wanted. we don't know their numbers for sure, but they are undoubtedly many. Since we don't know the number of maiar... we can't guess the number of balrogs... but Melkor did not create them nor modified them at all... They simply decided to follow him, the same way Sauron left Aulë for Melkor too.


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#482 Fri, Jul4 2008 2:56pm

presto247365
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Re: The Taproom

No, i wasn't thinking of Melkor "creating" them as acually forming the creatures and giving them life.    More like he"created" them by turning them to evil and leading them down a path towards destruction.

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#483 Mon, Jul7 2008 1:40pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

(Just a little message to let you know I closed several old topics in the Prancing Poney section or even elsewhere (tharbad for example, they are out of date and should not , I think receive any more posts, they are still here for reading, but you can't post in them)

One day, I think I'll have to archive the Taproom somehow, but so far, no need smile


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#484 Mon, Jul7 2008 2:00pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Thank heavens for that - less rooms to clean! Nob will be delighted.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#485 Thu, Jul10 2008 9:13am

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Ah, while it's not busy I shall sit and have a quiet drink in the corner here to celebrate having painted my 3,000th LOTR figure. A red-letter day, I think.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#486 Thu, Jul10 2008 11:06am

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

Doh! congrats!
I wish I had painted but a fifth of that amount!
unfortunately, in 17 years I think I have barely painted 350 references... sad


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#487 Thu, Jul10 2008 4:32pm

Gavin
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From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

I've painted...dunno. Lots. Several hundred GW and Mithril figures. Then I got rid of the plastic and G. Morley figures, which has reduced the finished models considerably. Unfortunately, I don't really have any good place to show them off. Lots of them are sitting on the prototype gaming table in the vault (yes, I have such a thing) where they stay, alone and unloved. The concrete dust in the vault is pretty poisonous, so you don't want to spend much time in there!

What was your 3000th figure, by the way?

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#488 Thu, Jul10 2008 6:10pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

It was, appropriately, a Mithril figure - M312 Orc drummer. It's taken me eight years to get this far, and I think there's still another 2-3 years of work to go. Ironically I originally thought I could get everything I really needed purchased and painted in about two years, but that plan hasn't been helped by new figures constantly coming out (even dismissing the worst of GW's excesses). Final tally will be in the region of 4,000. All I have to do is live long enough and I may eventually get round to playing with them.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#489 Thu, Jul10 2008 6:28pm

Gavin
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From: Canada
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Re: The Taproom

Oh yeah...playing with them.

That might be fun.

I will be able to do it in 2010, maybe. Maybe.

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#490 Wed, Jul16 2008 4:26pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Assuming that there's anyone about (it's all gone horribly quiet in here lately - not a single chime of the cash register for days...), folks may be interested to know that I've had one of my occasional communications from The Man, who says he's caught up with the Fellowship figures as far as William the Troll, and is even beginning to turn his thoughts to what his next 'M' range should be. Alas, I can say no more than that for now, but it sounds interesting.


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#491 Wed, Jul16 2008 4:35pm

erchamion
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From: Granada, Spain
Registered: Tue, Apr1 2008
Posts: 825

Re: The Taproom

Does this mean that will eliminate the backlog in the Fellowship figures?smile

Before William there are four months overdue (though some as Theodred we have already seen that is finished)roll


¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1

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#492 Wed, Jul16 2008 4:57pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

I imagine that's exactly what he meant. Of course, getting TE approval and producing the moulds and castings is another matter entirely - but at least the design work is done.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#493 Wed, Jul16 2008 4:58pm

Gildor Inglorion
Wandering Elf
From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

well Barliman, at last that confirms the fact he received my answer wink Chris had lost your email (he broke his computer and lost his contact list), I thought you would not mind me giving him your email as he was planning to email you smile

Thanksfully I had the right email to give him wink

I wish he had time to be a member of this forum... but I don't think he is the "mailboard" kind of people (or else he would post himself on the Official board I suppose)


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#494 Thu, Jul17 2008 6:28am

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Ah, that would explain why I hadn't heard from him for an Age!


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#495 Fri, Jul18 2008 3:49pm

Kenakko
Dude of Westernesse
From: California
Registered: Fri, Feb8 2008
Posts: 171

Re: The Taproom

Well, I’m back at least and I’m not above making some noise in here…but first a tall scrumpy please!  And , Barli, I’ve never actually heard the ‘ca-ching’ of the register in here with everyone running a tab!  And please put that scrumpy on my tab, please!  Anyway, I was gone to the Far East (or the Far West from my corner of the planet).  I had an extended stay in Japan.  That would be another long posting, so suffice to say I’m back.  In trying to catch up with some of the recent postings I noticed that not much has happened on the Mithril front!  I didn’t win in the painting contest, but I’m glad that one of ours did.  Some fantastic stuff there…and the hard drive issues of Chris Tubb I can certainly relate too ahveing just survived a crash!  Also, I saw Glidor’s posting about the dates of the LR and LT series and it reminded me of those times.  I have some interesting trivia about the LR series regarding the shape of the bases.  As you may or may not know, the LR series was an effort to hang onto their license as producing collectable miniatures. This and the ‘assembly needed’ aspect of some of the very first ones was part of that too. I believe that they were also looking to distance themselves from the old M series as well.  I think the shape was retained for the LT series for the same reason.  The LR series has always been overlooked in terms of the sculpting. The oddly shaped base (circle within a rectangle) was originally intended to accommodate a name plate!
Check out this picture and you can see one in the mold: 
Click to close
This picture, by the way is of a master mold and was provided to me by the late Adam Dawson, the first and former web master for Mithril

Last edited by Kenakko (Fri, Jul18 2008 3:51pm)

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#496 Fri, Jul18 2008 4:01pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Wow, that's a complicated mould. I've only seen the big circular mass-production moulds used by wargame-figure manufacturers before now, and hadn't realised that the Mithril ones were so much more sophisticated. Nice picture. Have a drink on me (darn it, that's another lost opportunity to hear the cash-register bell...)


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#497 Mon, Jul21 2008 5:24am

twrich
The Man in the Dark
From: Minneapolis, MN USA
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 752

Re: The Taproom

Hear, Hear! Kenakko.

It is good to hear prior times.


"All that is gold does not glitter, not all those that wander are lost." (Strider, The Fellowship of the Ring)

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#498 Mon, Jul21 2008 5:55am

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Ah, so there is someone else in here. I really must look more closely into the dark corners.

Haven't seen the Tree about for a while either. I guess he's out on another Entwife search. Anyone know when he's due back?


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#499 Mon, Jul21 2008 11:30am

presto247365
Adventurer
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 94

Re: The Taproom

Hello fellow travellers.  I'll just stop in for a quick hello, I'm off on vacation this week, and heading to Historicon.   Hopefully, I'll see Jim Corless there, and can while away some time chatting about Mithrils!  And maybe some crab imperial while I'm in Baltimore too!

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#500 Mon, Jul21 2008 1:46pm

Gildor Inglorion
Wandering Elf
From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
Website

Re: The Taproom

Hi folks, well I'm on vacations too, but I'll stay at home sad I try to use my time to fill the database with lots of references!


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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