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#2276 Mon, Nov26 2012 3:47pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Huoommmm ... won't be me, the Tree. That's for sure .... huoommm rhuom

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#2277 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:09pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Barliman wrote:

I suspect it'll be ridiculous to a lot of potential customers too. GW have probably priced themselves way outside their traditional teenage hobby market. So who'll buy this stuff?

not me!!!!!

honesty, and you know that I like the GW Lotr figures, I don't want for example this ridiculous "exclusive" Radagast !!
I prefer their old one!!

and unfortunately, those figures ARE the characters of the movie !!!!!roll


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#2278 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:13pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Huoomm ... then I should better keep from any more comments until I've watched that first movie ... hom ... I just hope my poor nerves will be able to cope with it .... huoommm ... we'll see ...

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#2279 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:16pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well we should cheer up somehow... Mithril would soon become economically more interesting than GW for their products, both considering

- the quality
- the fact it is metal
- the fact it is more respectful of the books (if not always...)
- less expensive wink

now it only needs to be more "promoted" to gain customers wink


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#2280 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:17pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Haven't you watched the seven-minute trailer on YouTube, Master Tree? The movie actually looks rather good! - though you may need to take a sedative if changes to the story offend you. I may take one myself before I go to see it, just to see me through any changes that I dislike. There are bound to be some...


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#2281 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:25pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I will also need a sedative. But I prefer the sedative-scrumpy you serve here ........ I think that a pint before to view the movie will be sufficient big_smile


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#2282 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:33pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Drink three pints, then you won't need the 3D glasses!


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#2283 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:43pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Huoomm ... Master Erchamion, didn't you see that this was exactly what Master Barliman was after? Serving a scrumpy at The Pony as a sedative before watching that movie-thing, well ... and one or the other after that for whatever reason ... huom ... I even saw some new lables downstairs in the cellar, reading "The Hobbit- Sedative" (special brew from Bree) ... rhuoommm ...

As for your thoughts, Master Gildor ... huommm ... I hope you're right ... maybe one day that Mithril-company-people will be able to sell the rest of the MX-UPs ... huom ... though I won't profit from that, of course. I'm just still curious about that ... huoom ...

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#2284 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:45pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Huoommm ... Master Erchamion, mind, please, that Master Barliman's scrumpy might be a sedative to your mind, but not to your stomach .... rhuoomm

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#2285 Mon, Nov26 2012 4:46pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well the crossing between Radagast and some kind of Santa Claus or a totally extravagent Tom Bombadil  worries me... as well as Galadriel with Gandalf at Rivendell (which though strange could fit the story in the back-office events of the White Council)

besides that and the fact most of the dwarves look like bearded elves and not dwarves... it seems most of the video would be rather fitting... maybe the goblin king is oversized but that's not really a big problem. and the stone giants... being giants of stone... why not...

I notice though that , THOUGH we have seen many footage from the second movie (and maybe the third one as well) (dwarves in barrels mostly)  we have not seen a SINGLE picture of Smaug nor of the Necromancer... maybe because Smaug has not been created at all yet (it is completly digital so it will be created by computers for the second movie I assume...)

(We know for sure that Gandalf saw/felt the Necromancer in Dol Guldur, or glimpsed at him, as in the books he mentions he has mistaken him for a Nazgul at first when he chase him away... that means he saw him...) and we also know the Necromancer has voice acting (the same actor as Smaug if I remember correctly : Benedict Cumberbatch )


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#2286 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:01pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

With or without all of those arguments about those GW figures connected with movie... I still do not like them... I still do not like them... I still do not like them...


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#2287 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:04pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I'm sure that all those characters in movie dynamic special effects scenes will look much better than those static characters...


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#2288 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:09pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Thingol wrote:

With or without all of those arguments about those GW figures connected with movie... I still do not like them... I still do not like them... I still do not like them...

I get the impression you don't like them.


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#2289 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:11pm

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You've got the right impression wink


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#2290 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:16pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Barliman wrote:

Drink three pints, then you won't need the 3D glasses!

I should drink those 3 pints... I my town we do not have cinema where is possible to use 3D glasses... until the first of such cinemas I have to travel 75 km sad but I will go there twice.... cool


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#2291 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:27pm

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Wow, that's a bummer. Our local cinema just ten miles away can show the film in 3D and at the new higher number of frames a second.


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#2292 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:33pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I don´t like 3D movies. I get dizzy ...... (and I don´t drink scrumpy, I swear!).


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#2293 Mon, Nov26 2012 5:38pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

You're not alone - Master Gildor has mentioned that his wife has the same problem; so do about a quarter of the population, apparently. Happily a non-3D version of the film is also going to be released.


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#2294 Mon, Nov26 2012 7:35pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

:cool:even with 5 pints..... or more:
I'm sure that I don't like the figures and not sure that I will like the movie! tongue

"The White Council": the question is "why Tolkien didn't write about it in his books?" (like he didn't write the fight between the Balrog and Gandalf ??)


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#2295 Mon, Nov26 2012 8:12pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Well, J.R.R.Tolkien wrote about the White Council in his books. In fact, There are references in LOTR, as in The Hobbit, as in Appendices ... Perhaps the story development is missing, but surely his son, Christopher, will find a revelation in the lost papers (that will sell at a reasonable price in a new book.....)

By the way, the battle between Gandalf and the Balrog is also described in detail in "The Two Towers":The White Knight  wink


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#2296 Mon, Nov26 2012 8:19pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

You have to read the uneven sites in the books also, Master Sam Wise.


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#2297 Mon, Nov26 2012 8:45pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well the battle between Gandalf and the Balrog is partly described, with the stairs to Zirak Zigil and when the Balrog died and Gandalf lost his corporeal form to be reincarnated as Gandalf the White. (true fana)

as for the White Council it is indeed described as erchamion mentions...

....


but I have to disagree with the sarcasm about Christopher Tolkien not publishing material he would not have found "yet" and make money out of it.
Having been myself in contact with the Tolkien family (not Christopher himself though)... all of it is not about money, but they really can't stand the wrongs and transformations and freedoms taken by those who simply owned licences to derivated products, to change the litterary and background/ history works of JRRT... the way they did.

Extending the world outside of its bonds when there are holes in the background and lore is something that Tolkien himself accepted and quoted as "Other Minds"... and is fair and acceptabel

"ADAPTING" the known background and lore so that it fits the needs of the derivated product (be it a movie, toys, or anything) is not something the Tolkien Estate can tolerate and I understand them though I won't fight or support them smile

I like the Tolkien movies by PJ but I like them as ... movies and movie fan... if I had to look at those films with my "tolkien fan only" eyes I would spit at them... but I can be tolerant because I love action and fantastic movies ALSO smile

when it comes to other derivated products BESIDE the movies, then I do not tolerate them anymore because they are "derivated products" OF A "derivated product" ... According to me there should not be "depth levels" of derivations for Tolkien. Every derivated product should derivate from the books and only the books... not from something that is already derivated from the books...


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#2298 Mon, Nov26 2012 9:03pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

....
Every derivated product should derivate from the books and only the books... not from something that is already derivated from the books...

I totally agree with you.
Still, I have to say some derivated products look great (armours, weapons for instance).
So at the end, everyone should take what he likes and not look at the remaining, which is far big enough and fine to me.

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#2299 Mon, Nov26 2012 9:09pm

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Understand me, Master Gildor. The "sarcasm" is intended for the publication of collections at exorbitant prices, as the History of Middle-earth (twelve books?, in spanish there are thirteen books), which has not provided material "contrast" or "deep". Sometimes are simple terse "notes" and gives me the feeling that it is trying to "extend something that can not be extended beyond"
Moreover, thanks to Christopher, we have among other books, as the Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales. My sarcasm is not directed to these books..... winksmile

Last edited by erchamion (Mon, Nov26 2012 9:09pm)


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#2300 Mon, Nov26 2012 9:23pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I own the thirteen HoME yes, (the 13th being the index)  and the compilation done in order to release those books makes the price, according to me, totally acceptable (well I bought them in english... maybe less expensive depending on the format)
saying that the provided material is not deep would be quite unfair... some HoME are notes or early writings (such as HoME 6,7,8 and 9) some on the other hand are very rich!  The Shaping of Middle Earth, the Lost Tales 1&2, the Lost Road reveal material found nowhere else and they do not contradict the "final" works but adds elements to them. The People of Middle Earth is even a compilation of LATE writings, from after the releases of "final works" and reveal TONS of informations about the birth of elves, the Istari, Glorfindel, the Dwarves family...
these HoME are quite crucial to the Tolkien universe according to me.

now the price of the collections and deluxe edition, I suppose you have Harper Collins to blame... but not the author (Christophe Tolkien) smile


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