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#2701 Sat, Feb23 2013 7:32am

Milo
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

ddaines wrote:

Was his 'victim' the next winning suggestion or was that not suggested? That may explain the pose being slightly less dramatic than the Angus McB illustration if there is no 'victim'.

Nice Orc or Troll, no matter the race wink
"King Ostoher in fighting pose" is october 2012 winning suggestion. so, next release will come in front of Rogrog.

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#2702 Sat, Feb23 2013 7:34am

Milo
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

By the way, Barliman, I feel it's time for my 2nd breakfast.
I will have go for these "croissants" on the bar. big_smile


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#2703 Sat, Feb23 2013 7:53am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

ddaines wrote:

Was his 'victim' the next winning suggestion or was that not suggested? That may explain the pose being slightly less dramatic than the Angus McB illustration if there is no 'victim'.

Static? Surely not! I'd call his pose "threatening".

While you're all here, there are a few bar tabs that need settling......


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#2704 Sat, Feb23 2013 9:02am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well indeed he looks like an troll since HE IS A TROLL (olog-hai)... one of the few named olog-hai... he was indeed a warlord of angmar orcs but was himself a troll... (from the MERP extendend universe)

see this link http://merp.wikia.com/wiki/Rogrog


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#2705 Sat, Feb23 2013 10:03am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

... I'm not here ... huoomm ...

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#2706 Sat, Feb23 2013 10:47am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

OK, then I won't get you a drink.


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#2707 Sat, Feb23 2013 11:43am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Croissants? I prefer "pain au chocolat" !

Pay?! I pay everything Master Barliman . . .  I receive my tax-information. It seems that I pay everything generally . . .


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#2708 Sat, Feb23 2013 12:13pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

People who mention taxmen in my establishment have to put a coin in the swear-box on the bar!


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#2709 Sat, Feb23 2013 7:01pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I think this is where the new figure comes from:
http://www.collecttolkien.com/images/Ga … People.jpg


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#2710 Sun, Feb24 2013 10:37am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

On another subject entirely, we now have a first sighting of the warriors of Dale from GW's "Hobbit" range. They resemble 12th-14th century Russians:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal … od1940081a

Now, what I'm wondering is, since we didn't see them in the first movie, will there be a flashback sequence in the second film to show these fellows fighting Smaug, or are they a GW invention? The designs aren't "fantastic" enough to be GW's work, so I suspect they're Weta designs. Interesting....


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#2711 Sun, Feb24 2013 11:13am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Huoommm ... I clearly dislike them figures ... rhuûomm ... seems that the "****" company intends to sell army-sets of the "Battle of the five armies" beforehand ... huooommm.. not even 12th-14th century Russians they are and once again seem to lack in correct human proportions, not to mention that fantasy-armour ... rhûom ... methinks

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#2712 Sun, Feb24 2013 11:22am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

huômmrhuom ... and, yes, Master Jdbrown55, that's exactly the origin of Rogrog and Ostoher ... huom ... but the source was reveiled when the suggestions were placed on the Mithril-thread ... as far as I know ... or remember .... or ... huom? ...
... er, Master Barliman, I'm back here again ... so, if you wouldn't mind, I'll have one of that ... rhuom ... you know what ... please ... huoomm ...

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#2713 Sun, Feb24 2013 11:48am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Indeed, Master Theobald, I myself put the picture on the suggestion post. The pose of the figure finally result is quite similar to the picture of Mr. Angus McBride. I love it big_smile


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#2714 Sun, Feb24 2013 1:14pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

huoommm ... yes ... Angus McBride ... perfect in his skills of drawing, painting and historical research ... hûû^^oooôommm ... our dear barkeep knew him better than us, Master Erchamion ... huooommm ... so, why not raise a bowl on him today? ... I, most willingly, would like to pay for that all ... rhûom ... in case Master Barliman still accepts those rather virtual coiny-things ... huomm ... cheers ...

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#2715 Sun, Feb24 2013 1:21pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Virtual coiny things for virtual beer seems a fair transaction, Master Tree.


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#2716 Sun, Feb24 2013 1:27pm

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

... alas ... I forgot to comment on what we could see of Rogrog so far ... rhuom ... he's perfect, meseems ... huom ... very close in pose and details to Master McBride's concept ... mind the skulls at the belt and other details, the pose of the last, deathly strike at the King Ostoher with such a crude weapon ... huommm ... so I wondered about the discussion here about the pose, if it's static or dynamic ... rhûom ... I didn't get the drift about that ... huommm ... anyway, I've been talkative enough for today ...

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#2717 Sun, Feb24 2013 1:41pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

... er, I just understood what I read ... huoomm ... you really said "fair transaction", Master Barliman? ... huom ... nothing to gain some profit from? ... huommm ... yes, indeed, though this place is full of noises, it's a brave new world that has such people in it,  in case I got Miranda right ... huoommm ....

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#2718 Mon, Feb25 2013 8:38am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Barliman wrote:

On another subject entirely, we now have a first sighting of the warriors of Dale from GW's "Hobbit" range. They resemble 12th-14th century Russians:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal … od1940081a

Now, what I'm wondering is, since we didn't see them in the first movie, will there be a flashback sequence in the second film to show these fellows fighting Smaug, or are they a GW invention? The designs aren't "fantastic" enough to be GW's work, so I suspect they're Weta designs. Interesting....

As I said many times before.... I do not like those figures...


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#2719 Mon, Feb25 2013 8:51am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I don't like some of them either - indeed, I don't like these Dale types - but I have to respect the talent of some of the GW figure sculptors (though not the company's demented visualisers!). I don't think it's possible to tar all GW figures with the same brush (as we say here in Bree), any more than it's possible to claim that every Mithril figure is perfect. There are naff GW figures, and there are also naff Mithril figures. There are also excellent GW figures and excellent Mithrils. Everyone has their good days and bad days.


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#2720 Mon, Feb25 2013 8:59am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well when it comes to comparing GW and mithril.... it's a subjective matter.... I don't know all the gw range, though I know all the M range, and while I agree that some M figurines are quite "naff", I can't think of any mithril figurine which would be "naffer" than the most well-sculpted GW one, but indeed that's only my personal point of view and maybe I have not seen "superb" gw figurines but since GW isn't "realistic sculpting"... I simply can't like them sad


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#2721 Mon, Feb25 2013 9:26am

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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Very subjective, as you say Master Elf - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And of course, the whole issue pivots anyway on the visualisation of the figures - The Man's designs are ultimately the product of ICE/MERP's visualisation of Middle-earth, whereas GW's are derived either from the Weta designs or GW's own visualisers, who are (to put it politely) fairly definitely insane.

I personally dislike a great deal of the ICE/MERP version of Middle-earth, which has at least as many flaws as the Weta/Peter Jackson version. Consequently many of the faults of such figures as these companies produce are the fault of the original visualisers, not the sculptors. This is why I prefer to consider each figure on its own merits, whether Mithril or GW.


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#2722 Mon, Feb25 2013 9:47am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

well I don't think it comes from that alone.... though you may be right on one aspect

but I also dislike Citadel, Warhammer, and Warhammer 40K
while I like Prince August roman, celtic, or phaeton designs... and also like Andrea 54mm, or Pegaso Models but totally dislike Andrea 32mm.

as I said, it is mainly a sculpture matter. it being "realistic", or "fantasy" sculpture


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#2723 Mon, Feb25 2013 10:05am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

...And therein lies the "eye of the beholder" element of the equation. For myself, I default to what I've already said - I prefer to remain open-minded and not condemn an entire company's output wholesale.


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#2724 Mon, Feb25 2013 10:41am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

I do not condemn them (though on the marketing aspect of games workshop, there would be a lot to say .. and to condemn..)

smile I just say I don't like them myself, you are right... the eye of the beholder smile


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#2725 Mon, Feb25 2013 10:55am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 2

Their marketing policy is bizarre. Have you seen the price of their Hobbit-based releases? £30 for a box of six PLASTIC cavalry, £12 for a single RESIN figure, and £25 for a foot and mounted figure combo? Who are they expecting to buy them at those sorts of prices? In addition the quality of their resin castings is questionable, though I'm told they're gradually improving.

I think they may have shot themselves in the foot with these greedy prices, since they must surely have alienated their traditional teenage market. If so, I've little sympathy.


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