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Huoommm .... thank you so very much my dear Master Erchamion ... rhuoomm... that's exactly what I needed ... hom ...

An interesting read - thanks for pointing it our, Master Elf.

I understand his dismay at what some of the modern merchandising aberrations have done to LOTR and The Hobbit, but is it cynical of me to notice at the same time that, despite their declared hatred of the movies, Christoipher Tolkien & Co are nevertheless richer by an unknown but enormous umpteen-figure sum since the films appeared? It must be an ambiguously difficult dilemma for them, which renders the moral high ground rather difficult to hold convindingly.

Thank you very much Gildor for this interesting link.

I do sympathize with C. Tolkien, but when JRR sold the rights, even though the books were becoming profitable, he knew he was giving up control. His "other hands" statement attests to this, and so does his desire that readers "fill in the blanks." I think (perhaps I am wrong) that JRR Tolkien would not have been displeased at all by the incredible unleashing of imagination and commercial success that followed over these years. I have never spoken to any family members, like others here may have, but I suspect that Christopher Tolkien wanted to take this work for his own and control to his own standards how it was presented to the public. Christopher as a young man felt that he contributed to its creation (mentioning JRR asking advice in letters) and ironically, he even admits to his own poetic license in publishing the Silmarillion.

It is really too bad, in my opinion, that Tolkien Estates and Tolkien Enterprises (now MEE) could not work together, as those who owned the rights surely were willing to, at least to a degree. Perhaps the end result still wouldn't have been to Christopher's satisfaction, but some influence would have been better than none. Perhaps Adam Tolkien will have a different perspective in the future.

Last edited by twrich (Mon, May13 2013 9:28pm)

They're thirsty fellows, those movie people, but I brewed up enough of the double-strength XXXX scrumpy to keep them going. I'm not sure what their 3D filmwork will look like, though, because it probably already looks 4D after the amount they've drunk.

Catering? I just give them an unwanted Hobbit to eat.

That depends on whether or not you've paid your bar tab...

twrich wrote:

Thank you very much Gildor for this interesting link.

I do sympathize with C. Tolkien, but when JRR sold the rights, even though the books were becoming profitable, he knew he was giving up control. His "other hands" statement attests to this, and so does his desire that readers "fill in the blanks." I think (perhaps I am wrong) that JRR Tolkien would not have been displeased at all by the incredible unleashing of imagination and commercial success that followed over these years. I have never spoken to any family members, like others here may have, but I suspect that Christopher Tolkien wanted to take this work for his own and control to his own standards how it was presented to the public. Christopher as a young man felt that he contributed to its creation (mentioning JRR asking advice in letters) and ironically, he even admits to his own poetic license in publishing the Silmarillion.

It is really too bad, in my opinion, that Tolkien Estates and Tolkien Enterprises (now MEE) could not work together, as those who owned the rights surely were willing to, at least to a degree. Perhaps the end result still wouldn't have been to Christopher's satisfaction, but some influence would have been better than none. Perhaps Adam Tolkien will have a different perspective in the future.

I doubt adam will change a lot of things.... ADDING to the world, by adding "other hands" is not the major problem as C.Tolkien allowed a lot of things to be achieved by tolkien enterprises.
The problem mainly comes when there are MODIFICATIONS of the existing mythos of tolkien universe, altering or adding things that are not canon at all, for things that are well documented...
The problem is that MEE has the right to do almost whatever they want for the LOTR... even if it means creating new stuff IN PLACE of existing ones... I can understand his feelings in this case

not to mention there are things unreleased yet that he is alone to know... and which may makethings that have been released by those "other hands" unknowning these elements did exist , completely non canonical(eg : the map of Endor by Pete Fenlon before the release of HoME 4)   He can't tolerate that "extrapolations be made" on his father universe until 100% material be released, which is not near to happen... (saw this history of archipelago in the article...)

Isn't it always the time for your third breakfast? If I ever introduced an "eat all you can for $25" menu, you'd eat me out of house and home in no time.

Pre-order "Bilbo presents the Arkenstone"

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huoommm ... indeed it seems to be an excellent vignette, as it was already announced ... huom ... I also agree with you, Master Barliman, concerning the price.  ... rhuom ... yes, that oar is a bit strange in that scene ... huom ... though ... should he better have brought his boat instead of the oar? ... hoommm ...
er, yes, and thank you very much, Master Erchamion, for keeping us informed here ... rhuom ...

Brillant vignette for sure !
pre-order sent & paid.
I'm glad this comes out like this. When I first suggested "Bilbo with Arkenstone" 2 years ago, I could not imagine it would end up like this master piece.

Hello Baster Brewer

No one for a week at the pony or maybe the man in the dark corner
A strong ale please

Hope you are well now. Some years ago I and a friend walked scotland from Edinburgh to Inverness across the country. Not the Highlands but still a nice trip.

Last edited by Mornedhel (Tue, May28 2013 3:15pm)

Hot mint tea sounds like a very good idea in this weather. It was very wet where I was last week, and it's wet here now that I'm home - though I'm told that (typically) it was sunny and very nearly warm here while I was away!

Ah yes, Master M., the Highlands! A wonderful part of the country. But I have to be honest - I've not actually walked it. I tend to walk in Northumberland and North Yorkshire, or failing that Derybshire. But I have walked in the extreme north-west of Scotland and the extreme north-east, and in Orkney.