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#1201 Thu, Jul30 2015 12:22pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Ah yes, amidst everything else I'd completely forgotten about the "missing" Easterlings....


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#1202 Fri, Jul31 2015 10:30pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huoomm ... quite a lot seems to be forgotten by now ... rhûom ... alas, wasn't it once being said the third series of the "Helm's Deep" had been sculpted some years ago? ... hom ... yes ... and more there had been expected to be produced by the now run-down Phaeton-design-concept ... alas ... hmm ... there had been these interesting concepts of a "Necromancer's Tower"-series, which obviously isn't considered no more than the "fallen Balrog" or other nice ideas .... rhuuuôm ... need a drink, Master Barliman ... anything you you might be willing to fill in my empty bowl ... huom ... mind I cleaned the upper windows this summer ... alas, no coins to find ... huommm-hom?

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#1203 Sat, Aug1 2015 7:40am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Indeed, Master Tree, there have been several other "rumoured" sets of figures - The Man himself once mentioned to me two more Helm's Deep sets he had either designed or sculpted (that at the time I wasn't to broadcast at large, but such caution seems irrelevant now), including an Orc assault gang complete with bombs. And wasn't there a Rangers of the North set too?

It's very sad that none of them have appeared.

And Phaeton - well, I can't help but voice my opinion that the figures released thus far have been far, far too esoteric to appeal to a wider audience. If he'd released the unreleased Helm's Deep figures and others of that ilk, with suitably camouflaged names to distance them from Tolkien Enterprise's copyright claims, then they'd have sold to the general military/fantasy figure collectors and wargaming community at large. A lost opportunity. Great shame.

And what has happened to the ancient Irish range that he was working on?  - Cu Chulainn etc? Must be five years since I last heard anything about them.


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#1204 Sat, Aug1 2015 10:15am

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

there is a fact that already sculpted figurines, commissionned by Prince August to Chris Tubb are... the property of PA and Chris is not free to release them , produce them and sell them hilmdelf...

that's the case for Easterlings, for Helm's Deep 3 and certainly for others... Else he may have tried to sell them through  Phaeton already.... Fact is, I have had no news from Chris in months now, and from our last exchanges, he was quite perplex and skeptical about Phaeton mitigated success and was not in a mood to carry on with it because of its lack of success...
(no need to reopen a debate on the reasons of this lack of success , be it communication/design concept/lack of releases etc)

As our friend tree often said here, well the best we can do is wait and see.... I've voiced my concerns a lot already both at mithril and Chris and that produced nothing... so why wasting energy on that?


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1205 Sat, Aug1 2015 11:03am

Turambar
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

EXACTLY!
Master Barliman, may I add that "Wilderland" range. Not to be forgotton!
A great shame you said. Yes it is. A real great shame.
To help you to remind, I add a picture of that mentioned irish hero:

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The Tree also mentioned the "fallen Balrog". A great sculp that was.
Well- I can not explain my disappointment to all this. Being refreshed last weekend in the Tree´s garden.
And since the "POLL" concerning all matters about "Necromancer´s Tower" range lead into NOTHING I gave up spending energy in anything, like Master Gildor pointed out also.
Or was it after my "FIFTH" not answered question to - you call him the Man- having some pictures of my so adored Easterlings throughout four years?
Who knows . . .

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#1206 Sat, Aug1 2015 11:07am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that we once actually saw Cu Cuchlainn.


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#1207 Sat, Aug1 2015 2:54pm

Thingol
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Nothing more to say... about long expecting Chris new(old) figures..... I only hope Chris is well... and his small figures.... he's made more than 1000 diferent figures and perhaps he thinks......this was enough.... and he had not have enough money to invest into a some dreams of other people... even if they call himself "customers". Talkink about PD figures.... factory policy.... again... nothing more to say... and those stories about abandoned figures.... hm... pity but time goes on... ... all of us, including him ...
sooner or later there will be nothing new. Time passes with or without us. With figures or without them.
For me is a important to be patient and see what happens ...


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1208 Sat, Aug1 2015 2:56pm

Thingol
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Cheers to all of you guys.... smile


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1209 Sat, Aug1 2015 4:32pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Huooommm .... wise words, dear MasterThingol ... huom ... all that's left is to say cheers from time to time and see what might happen ... or not ...rhûooommmm ...

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#1210 Sun, Aug2 2015 2:21am

Gavin
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Personally I'd love to see him work for a boutique company like Dark Sword Miniatures, perhaps even for Reaper, who are two of the higher end fantasy miniatures companies going, and companies with a broad engagement with the market.

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#1211 Sun, Aug2 2015 10:16am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

well Chris founded Mithril with Lars, so it's part of his life that would be hard for him to change company for THIS kind of sculpting he does. I know he already works for other companies on small contracts and actually it seems to be his best source of income at the moment because mithril and phaeton do not produce a lot...

Chris is special and not very talktative that's hard to know what he'll do next...  Even polls, open letters or petitions don't seem to move things positively alas ;(  Maybe because it would require a certain quota for things to be taken seriously, and with all of what is left of the MMP active members, this quota is not reached.. and thus considered not significant enough. That's the only thing I can imagine sad


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#1212 Tue, Aug4 2015 2:28pm

Maenas
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Seems that time is slowly killing our community and mithril, just as everything else.

Just logged on to wish you all a happy summer holidays. wink


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#1213 Tue, Aug4 2015 3:49pm

ddaines
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Just ordered some MMs including Forlong - must be getting my MoJo back wink lol

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#1214 Tue, Aug4 2015 8:14pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huom ... right Master Maenas, I also wish everybody around here, or being absent, a nice holiday ... rhuoom ...

Master Ddaines, good to learn that you're about getting back to that hobby ... hûom ... though ... to assemble that new Forlong-figure took most of my nerves as the parts didn't fit well enough ... huom ... then the primer went away at nearly all edges ... so the new figure now appears in a quite worn condition ... huoom ... I wonder if anybody else made these maddening experiences .... hom?

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#1215 Tue, Aug4 2015 8:20pm

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Haven't bought him yet, but I shall certainly keep your experiences in mind when I do!


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#1216 Tue, Aug4 2015 8:43pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huoommm ... ah, Master Barliman, just for a different matter ... huom ... I just read on the official Mithril-board-voting-thread-thing that you wondered about a vote being shifted from Ohtar to that Dwarf just before/after that poll closed ... huoomm ... well, it was me who is responsible for that ... hm ... but I'm sure I did it in time before that poll was closed ... huom ... I simply did it, because that Ohtar-suggestion had no more chance of winning that race ....

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#1217 Tue, Aug4 2015 9:19pm

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

I guess I must have been mistaken, as Master O'Brien suggests, but I'd have put money on the fact that the page stated that the poll was closed when I looked at it. Still, no harm done - it didn't affect the result at all.


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#1218 Tue, Aug4 2015 10:42pm

Milo
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From: Toulouse, France
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Hi everyone,
I am here for few days, coming back from a week holiday, before leaving again for 2 weeks.
I received last MS releases but did not open my blisters yet.
I also received a parcel from Thorondor containing minis plus mithril stuff such as Tee shirt, orange cardboard for my glass cabinet. It's still a good feeling for me to open these littles parcels.
Master Barliman, please fill everyone's bowl with appropriate liquids. Of course I will pay for all.

Cheers!
BTW, I am glad that toys won last votes and I would support Ohtar when he is back in another poll.

Last edited by Milo (Tue, Aug4 2015 10:44pm)


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#1219 Wed, Aug5 2015 6:22am

Arthadan
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

I have a question for you, folks.

One of my favourire miniature brands has announced it's going to move into plastic and it will re-release some of its current metals in plastic assuring there will be no loss of detail.

Now, thinking about Mithril style I think it would translate fairly well into plastic. Would you get Mithril miniatures if they were plastic?


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Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
in the high tower is shaking.

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#1220 Wed, Aug5 2015 7:44am

Milo
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

I do prefer heavy minis for handling while painting.
Considering Phateon vignette being plastic, I feel casting quality is minimum as good as current Mithril metalic casting.

So I would buy, and would expect prices being lower also.


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#1221 Wed, Aug5 2015 7:52am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

It depends what you mean by "plastic". The brittle stuff that GW use seems to hold a lot of detail, but the castings are often "warped", and the stuff is so brittle there's no way they can be twisted back into shape without something breaking; also, two (or more) part figures very rarely fit together well. Soft plastic, of course, is utterly useless. So all in all I think I'd be very reluctant to spend a lot of money of a plastic model!


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#1222 Wed, Aug5 2015 8:36am

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huooomm ... as for figures casted in plastic/resin, I definitely prefer metal castings ... huom ... Master Barliman just pointed out the most important aspects ... hoooooom

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#1223 Wed, Aug5 2015 9:42am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Metal is definitely best - just look at the eBay prices people are prepared to pay for GW metal figures, even when the same figures are available in resin.


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#1224 Wed, Aug5 2015 10:01am

Maenas
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Well I think about the materials and what other brands do and I will resume it as:
Metal; Nice resin (like forgeworld); Plastic; Resin (Finecast) --->Ordered from the most liked to the least one.

I will buy mithril made of whatever material if it is a good cast and if the prices went down (I am waiting for a sale at mithril to buy some minis), moreover the other day I payed 42 euro for a 75mm metal miniature and it is completely awesome, comparing the former with mithril and with my heart aching the last one falls in: cast quality, undercoat quality, pose and price. So now I am left alone, with a sentimental link to the brand and to the aura that emanates from Chris's sculpts. I even changed my mind about the grey coating and now I feel it is so thick that it hides major parts of detail (on some references more than others) so I would prefer now uncoated mithrils if they are meant for painting (at least my final purpose is that).


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#1225 Wed, Aug5 2015 6:22pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

when I see that GW plastic "finecast" are AS expensive (if not more) than their metal counterparts but with "bugs" in the castings, (warps, not fitting parts, bent or breakable parts, holes or bubbles in the cast) I definitly prefer metal

I'd tolerate RESIN for BIG parts that would cost too much to make in metal for big vignettes or boxed sets, but not for figurines themselves, not in 32mm, nor in 54mm... "The Destroyer" was fine but would have been better in metal..., on the other hand a mumak would have been better in resin, not in metal...

Plastic does not necessarily means less expensive, and does not guarantee quality.... the conclusion is that whatever the medium, the quality must be there, and if for single figurines, I doubt resin/plastic casting would be better or easier to cast... for Prince August who specialise and are equipped in their factory, for METAL casting.....   plastic casting would require an investment for them which does not guarantee income/success and would mean more expensive costs for us at the beginning...

ad thus would be at best "the same price" for us customers, at worst, MORE expensive...

Mithril is a METAL....   casting mithril figurines in plastic would be an antithesis of its original meaning wink


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