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#1251 Mon, Aug10 2015 12:50pm

Arthadan
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From: Spain
Registered: Fri, Nov6 2009
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

That's quite curious Master Elf. As far as I know, plastic moulds can't be used to cast metal and make your sculptor spend years learning digital sculpting just to save moulding costs (getting a expensive 3D printer as well) doesn't sound like a reasonable business decission.

Anyway, let's wait and see what the future brings...


To mortal fields say farewell,
Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
in the high tower is shaking.

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#1252 Mon, Aug10 2015 8:22pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

well I may have misunderstood it but if I remember well that's what was meant... printing masters only... but things change....


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1253 Thu, Aug13 2015 8:13am

Milo
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From: Toulouse, France
Registered: Tue, Mar30 2010
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Hi master Barliman,
I just come back from a 3 days walk in the Pyrénées. I found places that could be ME.
Please ask Nob to prepare a special BIG breafast for a starving hobbit.
Kschink, Kschink, Kschonk....

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#1254 Thu, Aug13 2015 8:45am

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Yes, it's encouraging that some beautiful corners can still be found in this world, unblemished and unsullied. But every day I see another field that was once rich with flowers being dug up for the foundations of some new housing estate or shopping centre. Also, a rash of wind generators is springing up in various corners of Bree at the moment - ugly, dreadful things!

I guess all we can do these days is make the most of the nice places that remain! But I pity the next generation. (Sorry, I'm feeling very negative today. Perhaps I need a drink. Perhaps I need a lot of drinks...)


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1255 Thu, Aug13 2015 11:15am

Gavin
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From: Canada
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Arthadan wrote:

That's quite curious Master Elf. As far as I know, plastic moulds can't be used to cast metal and make your sculptor spend years learning digital sculpting just to save moulding costs (getting a expensive 3D printer as well) doesn't sound like a reasonable business decission.

Anyway, let's wait and see what the future brings...

Indeed. The Mithril masters are made from plasticine, currently. This would just mean a different material for the master.

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#1256 Thu, Aug13 2015 3:33pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

well depending on what kind of stuff they want to make with their 3D printer.... the cost may not be that high... I've been to a convention for 3d printing, and you can get a level of detail similar to many figurines manufacturers for less than 10 000€ but it takes HOURS (more than 10 or even 20) to get the figurine done.

that is acceptable, if the purpose is to make a SINGLE figurine, the master


Fast 3d printing on the other hand would be dramatically more expensive


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1257 Thu, Aug13 2015 3:38pm

Barliman
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Your cost of 10€ presumably doesn't allow for the hours of time and electricity that must be involved!


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#1258 Thu, Aug13 2015 4:52pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

about electricity I don't know how much it costs though the models I have seen did not use more than a regular computer power in watts

as for "hours of time"?  well you can let the machine print and be away, does not need you to be behind . printers using extrusion deposition (Fused deposition modeling  - FDM) are slow slow slow, but less expensive but the results are not so smooth and you sometimes see layers...
those using stereolithography (SLA) or photopolymerization are better and absolutly impressive and fast, using photopolymer and laser.

well I'm not an expert I admit... this convention was just to show people that "everybody" could afford a FDM 3d printer because there were several kinds of models, not necessarily all "high end" models

I just saw a movie of this : http://global.sprintray.us/moonray
this is a kickstarter project that was achieved and works well, you have a movie to show the results https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAarwapThQ0  (it is great for figurines actually!)

"desktop" FDM printers cost less than 1000€, 

"dekstop" SLA printers cost between 4000 and 10000€ 

all in all, that's not what I call expensive, for an industry...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1259 Thu, Aug13 2015 8:39pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Huoommm ... all that is very strange to me, as you can imagine ...  rhûom ...

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#1260 Thu, Aug13 2015 11:06pm

Turambar
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From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Absolutely.
I suggest to switch over to Star Wars episode 7 . . .


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#1261 Fri, Aug14 2015 11:03am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

well yes sw7 is great too wink  (hey actually I knew NOTHING about 3D printing processes before I posted this ...last post... I just digged to learn more by myself in an hour )


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1262 Fri, Aug14 2015 3:29pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Huoommm ... one should not dig too deep, Master Gildor ... rhuôm ... as you know

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#1263 Mon, Aug17 2015 7:30pm

ddaines
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Posts: 1958

Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Mithril have announced a 30% discount sale on their latest newsletter of M-Series figures.

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#1264 Tue, Aug18 2015 12:38am

Gavin
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

When is the sale until?

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#1265 Tue, Aug18 2015 5:23pm

ddaines
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Noon, Friday 21st August.

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#1266 Tue, Aug18 2015 7:13pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Aren't you on Mithril's mailing list, Master Gavin? It was advertised in yesterday's.


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#1267 Tue, Aug18 2015 9:43pm

ddaines
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Finally decided to go for (most) of HD pt.2, rather annoyingly I ordered some other figures last week, had I known...... never mind.

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#1268 Tue, Aug18 2015 11:42pm

Theobald
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huoommm ... but such is life, Master Ddaines, isn't it ...

rhûom ... those 30%-offers of all those M-figures ... huooom ... all that appears once and again concerning those old figures/releases that still could not have been sold, meseems ... gruôôm ... have a look at that so-called "points" you get for a regular purchase buying the latest figures ... alas ... what to do with them? ... hm ... I still wonder, when and why I should take that strange offer to be enabled to buy (or even get, I dunno) figures I already have since their release ... err, and by the way, the choice of those figures did not change at all ... huom ... let's say for about three years by now .... huom...
I'm afraid the company is still not able to sell its figures that have once been produced about more than a decade ago ...

HUOOOM ... let me, please state clearly, that I still do like many of those figures ... huom ... better say most of them ... hom.

... but all these offers by now seem to me as being a kind of clearance-sale for getting the last shelves free for ... whatever.


Huoom, sorry, with this I did not mean any harm to be taken by anybody around here or to elsewhere ... ggrrrûom ... just mind please, that even there are matters that get on an old tree's nerves  .... huom ... that is ...

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#1269 Wed, Aug19 2015 7:11am

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

As a wargamer I could buy lots of figures during these "special offer" sales, but I don't because, quite honestly, they're STILL too expensive. That's why they still have so many of them unsold, of course. The idea of sales is to reduce prices to a level where the stock gets shifted.

Also, I suspect there remains the old custard-instead-of-undercoat issue on some of them.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1270 Wed, Aug19 2015 9:27pm

Thingol
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From: Republic of Croatia
Registered: Tue, Jul28 2009
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Hooooouuuum... Master Tree is here... can I buy you a drink dear entish friend....


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1271 Wed, Aug19 2015 9:30pm

Thingol
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Theobald wrote:

huoommm ... but such is life, Master Ddaines, isn't it ...

rhûom ... those 30%-offers of all those M-figures ... huooom ... all that appears once and again concerning those old figures/releases that still could not have been sold, meseems ... gruôôm ... have a look at that so-called "points" you get for a regular purchase buying the latest figures ... alas ... what to do with them? ... hm ... I still wonder, when and why I should take that strange offer to be enabled to buy (or even get, I dunno) figures I already have since their release ... err, and by the way, the choice of those figures did not change at all ... huom ... let's say for about three years by now .... huom...
I'm afraid the company is still not able to sell its figures that have once been produced about more than a decade ago ...

HUOOOM ... let me, please state clearly, that I still do like many of those figures ... huom ... better say most of them ... hom.

... but all these offers by now seem to me as being a kind of clearance-sale for getting the last shelves free for ... whatever.
...

It speaks to the fact that the prices of all miniatures at least 30% too high.... too expensive


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1272 Wed, Aug19 2015 9:32pm

Thingol
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From: Republic of Croatia
Registered: Tue, Jul28 2009
Posts: 3694
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

"desktop" FDM printers cost less than 1000€, 

"dekstop" SLA printers cost between 4000 and 10000€ 

all in all, that's not what I call expensive, for an industry...

.... too expensive for the existing business policy of the company....


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1273 Wed, Aug19 2015 9:45pm

Thingol
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From: Republic of Croatia
Registered: Tue, Jul28 2009
Posts: 3694
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

Turambar wrote:

Absolutely.
I suggest to switch over to Star Wars episode 7 . . .

Maybe we can "use the force" and increase production mithril figures..... hmmbig_smile


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#1274 Wed, Aug19 2015 10:30pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 5724
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Re: THE TAPROOM 3

huooommm ... dear Master Thingol is back again ... rhûom ... I don't mind about buying me a drink if I could buy you one in return ... huoom ... just to settle that anger about the "Travelling Elrond"-matter at least a bit ... grrrruôm ... but you were absolutely right from my point of view ... hom ... alas ... but cheers ... hmmhuom ...

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#1275 Thu, Aug20 2015 6:38am

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: THE TAPROOM 3

All these short messages indicate he's obviously trying to get up to 3,000 posts!


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