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Gildor Inglorion wrote:

I agree with you Estel, but unlike you this is the very reason why I'll vote for Durin... in order to improve its chances against such abominations.

Gildor, yes, you convinced me!

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

when I say abominations though I may be a bit rude towards those who suggested it with their heart... that is a very subjective way of thinking.

the only thing we are sure about is that : Tolkien had problems with female characters , most of all if they were common folk (even as assassin)
We have no clear proof of orc breeding either, we have no specific text saying that their are birthed like mamifers or if they are sterile and must be "created" via foul magic breeding. so we can't affirm female orcs exist the same way we can't affirm there are assassins in Dol Amroth (except if you use ICE in which case it is acceptable indeed but not canon) I remind that in Tolkien universe there are several "utopic havens" such as Rivendell and Lothlorien for Elves, and supposedly Dol-Amroth for men... where there simply can't be a dust of evilness inside them, that's utopic indeed but most of Tolkien universe is utopic...

Either way, each time Mithril produces a character (named or not) that is not canon or which is "extrapolated" from our beliefs and not from the work, it troubles me...

as it troubles others, Gildor, believe me. The main question in that cases is: Shall I accept gaps in my collection or shall I buy something I do not really like?

Last edited by ESTEL (Tue, Feb24 2009 1:05pm)

I'm inclined to agree, Master Estel, but you should at least vote for Durin - otherwise you might end up with a female orc or the Fantasy assassin! Really, there are already so many Fantasy figure companies producing ladies who could pass for Middle-earth assassins that I can't see the need for one in the Mithril range. But then, that's a personal view, and I guess if it's what a majority of members decide to vote for then it must be what they want. However, she has yet to win! And so far she has always stumbled in round two.

I suspect that I shall vote for Durin.

Barliman wrote:

I'm inclined to agree, Master Estel, but you should at least vote for Durin - otherwise you might end up with a female orc or the Fantasy assassin! Really, there are already so many Fantasy figure companies producing ladies who could pass for Middle-earth assassins that I can't see the need for one in the Mithril range. But then, that's a personal view, and I guess if it's what a majority of members decide to vote for then it must be what they want. However, she has yet to win! And so far she has always stumbled in round two.

I suspect that I shall vote for Durin.

Oh yes, I voted for Durin as this figure is the only one I would surely buy for the same reasons Gildor has: need to have them all. But a female Orc??? I like females, especially my own here at home, but not an Orcish one. Saviga, the Half Orc, consort of Zalg is o.K. but not a true Orc. I think no Orc is able to create anything else than to destroy, and creating children is not destructive!!

rita.de wrote:

PS: go ahead with that discussion. Erchamion and myself just have that famous spanish Brandy . . .

No Brandy, Master rita.de, better ´Xerez` which is the name of Spanish origin...

I like the new characters. I don´t understand, as there is still much to learn from Tolkien, we "console" to have five or six Witch-king figures. Bombur can be a great figure, no doubt, but perhaps we are all waiting for this whole serie about Bilbo and the dwarves. Durin or Narvi perhaps have a little easier in a vote GF.

I believe that a king of Moria fighting (and dying) versus Balrog can be a great figure, too. However, it is a dwarf and I love the dwarves (is it because they are great companions on the Prancing Pony?)

Gildor, the topic of Juegos sin Fronteras is a thorn that I nailed. I have to get that picture. Call again .....

Rhuoommm .... sorry, but a further statement from me seems to be necessary ...
I will never suggest something like a "female orc" again ... huoomm ... though I enjoyed the first discussion about it very much .... hom ... (it still can be re-read here) ... why not let some humour let have it's place at the GF-suggestions ..... rhuom ... nobody did criticize the appearance of M391 (Travelling alchemist) because he wasn't a named character ... (though he was, methinks) ... Hundin's shape of body was never criticized, as far as I know ... rhooommm ...
Rhuuoommmm ... let me try to explain, please.

There are many of us who are trying to build up most powerful armies according to their imagination of Tolkien's writings. I really enjoy looking at pictures of that kind (in case they're provided). There's a wonderful match of people here doing that perfectly. ... Rhuoomm. Very nice individual conversions contribute to this very much ...

Huoommm ... then there are those talented 'diorama-builders' concentrating on a single scene ... huoommm rhuoommm ... using everything to make it appear real ... huoommm ... backgrounds, all those single details added and perfectly put into those scenes .... rhuoommm ...

rhuoommm ... then there's just those 'poor ones' left who just collect ... rhuoommm such as me ... huoomm ... I still do enjoy .... rhuoommmm ... let's just keep it alive, friends and don't hassle about everything that's not worth it to become worried about ... rhuoommm ... though I have to state that good old Môrlas (Prince of squirrels) would have never seen the light if the Gate of Moria could have been casted ... rhuoommm ...

I know, Master Barliman, once again I was a little bit too talkative ... rhuommm ... I just wanted to comment on some certain matters .... hom ... oh, by the by, could you please have a mark for this bowl on your tab, please ... mine seems to to leave not that much space any more rhuoomm ... and top it up, please? ... huoommm ... the bowl, not the tap ... gruuuoommm

All fair and valid comments. But of course, they reflect individual tastes - as do other people's comments earlier. My OWN preference would be to only see figures of individuals who have a genuine basis in JRRT canon - they don't need to be named, but they should at least be implied.

On this basis the Orc female qualifies (as I've said before, JRRT confirms the existence of female Orcs in his assorted notes and scribblings), but the 'female assassin of Dol Amroth' (sorry, but I shudder even as I type the phrase, it's so non-JRRT!) does not, nor ever will. I repeat, this is my own very personal view, and if people want to vote for such figures they have every right to do so.

But the real puzzle to me is why such non-existant characters get suggested at all while there are so many scenes, peoples and named individuals from the books that remain unrepresented.

I know, I'm a sad, boring, old-fashioned purist. But I'm the one that pours the drinks...

Thats the man! Please pour me a nice drink Master Barliman.
I like the idea of a female orc made by Chris very much and I'm sure that she never would be done in a M release.
That's the reason why I will vote for this "girl". I'm sure there are few more gold members who will do exactly the same! D Master Theobald have a a bowl of whatever on my tab and please put that nice smile back on!

Offer the Ent of a bowl of whatever's on tap too.

Because the Ent is a perfect gentleman. Who shall be receiving some maple syrup (from no one he is related to, fortunately) and other goodies from Canada in the none too distant future.

Pass yours to Bob's cat, if you please, Master Caster - he's obviously already taken a liking to it.

By the way, on an entirely different topic, has anyone else noticed that a "new" Tolkien book is being published in a couple of months? - "The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun", described as "a thorough reworking in verse of old Norse epics". It was apparently written in the 1920s and 1930s.

Verse. Hmm. Some of Master JRRT's verse I can cope with, but some I can't. I shall have to wait and see which variety this turns out to be.

I could live with the female orc (in my collection I hastily add) as my own view is that they probably bred in much the same way as other races and it would be interesting to see how Chris sculpts this suggestion if it wins.

I dunno, running off (well, stalking off, if you'll forgive the pun) without paying his tab, as usual...