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#1701 Tue, May26 2009 9:15am

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

ESTEL wrote:

Maybe some nice guy or girl with much influence can propose a change in rules, like 'this month only named characters'?? hmm

NAMARIE
estel

Yes, please vote only for a named character....

The only thing would be how to exclude Boromir and the which king and all the other multyple characters we already have to see a NEW named character????

Well, I rather have a unamed orc female then Boromir the 357th!

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#1702 Tue, May26 2009 10:28am

ESTEL
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Re: The Taproom

That is, master hsf62, lord of casts,  exactly the point. tongue

Anyway, I like the Boromir figure very much, maybe I can take some pictures of the painted "pincushion"-Boromir this week to show, that it is a very nice figure at last. smile

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#1703 Tue, May26 2009 11:16am

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Well, maybe we should have a round on named, but never produced characters. Then at laest we would get one NEW named character..........

Looking forward to see your painted Boromir. After all it is a good looking fellow..

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#1704 Tue, May26 2009 11:30am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

Well true enough, I agree with you...

as much as I love the witch king or Boromir or Gandalf.... enough is enough sometimes.
As for Beruthiel, I was among those who voted for her... she may not be as well known as the company but that's precisly what makes her original and fit for a GF figurine.

Celebrimbor vs Annatar was a great suggestion too... and there are still dozens of dozens of named characters 'important or less important' that had a role in LOTR history...

We must take some aspects into consideration too... some figurines may be used for several purpose. though they are released with a name or title.. They are fit for others as well... Thranduil in armor could very well have been a Noldor Prince of Gondolin ... Gothmog, could very well be ANY black numenorean captain on horse or even a Human King ringbearer (before he became a Nazgul) and Eorl on Felarof could be any other Eorlingas....

the originality and exclusivity is not the name of the suggestion itself but also the original aspect of the suggestion...
I have to admit that, for this purpose, the female assassin would be quite original.... while the half-orc commander would be... another M180 mixed with the soon to be released half-orcs (of whiche we still know nothing of the second part of the release)

We are forced to be original with single only characters... that's harder than with horse or with dual little vignette or bigger vignettes of course.... still there are possibilities.

We don't have many Gondorian/Arnorian kings.... (including Elessar, or any before him, and Tar-Minastir was from Numenor)
We don't have Elven Sages, Human Sages, or Dwarven Sages that could fit for a Council of Elrond diorama... (any would fit
Gloin in costume, Erestor, Galdor, Aragorn in soft clothes...

(I keep thinking a COUNCIL of Elrond SERIES a full theme... regular release... with each member sat on a chair + a set of accessories.... like the Prancing Pony old series.... would be a true success....) but I doubt Mithril has any plan for such a theme in the forthcoming years... they are ... ARMIES  ARMIES ARMIES ARMIES....
5 sets of Helm's Deep, great.... and after that? those long delayed Easterling.... cool another army  (oh they will be superb... but still an army)

When will we have "Thorin and Company"  Series.... or "Council of Elrond" Series?  Those two would really be appreciated and fit for a series...
But I fear that... No matter how Mithril may like "Mithril Faerylands" and my contribution to Mithril... I don't have their ear at all in terms of suggestions.... So it will have to bo others than me to try to convince them...


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#1705 Tue, May26 2009 1:01pm

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Re: The Taproom

Money would be the only thing to convince Mithril to change the releases. After all it is easier to sell a group of 10 soldiers in one go, then sell a single figure 10 times to one person. Therfor we will see more of these "new army's" rather then named single figures. Well, Boromir might be the exeption:D


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#1706 Tue, May26 2009 2:45pm

Gavin
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Re: The Taproom

I'd kill for a council of Elrond set...
I also want that rumoured Rhudaur set and the Wilderland set and Thorin and the Dwarves and maybe a set of Heroes of Gondor.

But I'm perfectly happy with the soldier figures. I suspect that since Mithril is making all these armies...that people want Mithril to make them. Not, normally, a thing to be certain of, but I'm going out on a limb here. Which suggests to me that Mithril is quietly nicking gamers away from GW.

Which pleases me to no end.

Gavin

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#1707 Tue, May26 2009 2:49pm

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

Ah, after days of silence . . .
m m m , sorry, but I have to interrupt, honourable master Gildor. You mentioned, " Thranduil in armor could very well have been a Noldor Prince of Gondolin" ,
But he isn´t ! He is Thranduil in armor. And this horseman isn´t any nameless rohirrim, he IS Eorl, THE EORL.
Let´s stay at this Eorl-example because he stands right infront of me: such a wonderful figure. One of the few fellowship-releases which gains uniquness.
Having a little art-ambitions I can imagine, that The Man makes up his mind very clearly indeed, what this "named" character should look like. Imaging yourself being a sculptor: would´t you put your soul into this character? Would´t you make your mind about the look, the charcter, the uniquness of this figure you are working on ?
After The Man created Eorl, do you think ( not you personally, Gildor ! ) that he would say: " mmh - this is a real nice Eorl, exactly the way he should be, magnificent. Again a marvellous job, Chris. Look, mithril-fellows and take him, maybe it is any rider of rohan, or whatever . . .
I agree to you completely when you say, that the originality and exclusivity is not the name of the suggestion itself but also the original aspect of the suggestion...
But another halftroll command is not only another M 180. In fact a female assassin would be more interesting than another halforc command. I think we have all
understood this.
But, hey Gildor, think it over. You are the first one who brakes something for The Man. Another Halforc command is neither another M 180 nor all these new halforcs are other m179 !
I paint Orcs meanwhile, and there a MANY of them, but they are all different. Not all of them are brilliant but all of them are unique.
I am surprised many times about the variety in Chris´ sculpting. 
Very windy here in the west part of Germany . . .

PS: let me say something last : you voted for Queen Beruthiel?! I painted Queen Beruthiel and she is the most loved miniature of my wife, because she loves cats !
But go into these wargaming shops and ask: hey, does anybody know Queen Beruthiel ? Can somebody offer me a rohan archer ?!
What do you think will happen ? That´s what I mean in my statement couple of days before. And you know that I agree to you concerning the releases as mentioned before too. I need a drink now, what about you, master Gildor?
Is there any ricard in this place . . .  smile

And Gavin: I kill for a council of Elrondset also, yes I do . . . .

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#1708 Tue, May26 2009 3:05pm

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Re: The Taproom

Well spoken Master Rita Archer of Mirkwood!
Let's go over to the tap and have a look if we find a ricard. My mouth is very try already.....


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#1709 Tue, May26 2009 3:42pm

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Re: The Taproom

Well, my Eorl has become a Rohir hero on a horse with actual harness. Nearly done - pictures to follow. Eventually I'll buy an Eorl figure as Eorl.

The Thranduil figure could very much work as a Noldorin prince. I really don't like the plate armour, but I'm willing to accept that maybe the Last Alliance era Elves had such a thing. So if I was making a Last Alliance diorama, I'd use the Thranduil figure. As it stands I am using the Thranduil figure as Thranduil in a Battle of the Five Armies diorama and I'm using various other plate armoured elves there too. It's not "right" but the guy who will eventually get the work as a gift probably won't notice! :p

A lot depends on what you use the figures for, obviously.

Gavin

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#1710 Tue, May26 2009 4:40pm

erchamion
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Re: The Taproom

Gavin wrote:

Well, my Eorl has become a Rohir hero on a horse with actual harness. Nearly done - pictures to follow. Eventually I'll buy an Eorl figure as Eorl.

The Thranduil figure could very much work as a Noldorin prince. I really don't like the plate armour, but I'm willing to accept that maybe the Last Alliance era Elves had such a thing. So if I was making a Last Alliance diorama, I'd use the Thranduil figure. As it stands I am using the Thranduil figure as Thranduil in a Battle of the Five Armies diorama and I'm using various other plate armoured elves there too. It's not "right" but the guy who will eventually get the work as a gift probably won't notice! :p

A lot depends on what you use the figures for, obviously.

Gavin

This reminds me that I once suggested without much success to Amdír, King of Lorien and father of Amroth. He is the only one of the Great Lords who C.T. not sculpted in the Last Alliance serie. Maybe now ......wink

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#1711 Tue, May26 2009 7:21pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

Do you think that if The Man had his word in it.... he would, besides Mithril, sculpt and release on his OWN behalf, figurines such as the PM1 elven vignette or the forthcoming Dwarf Destroyer?...
I'm almost certain that he sculpts armies because he is asked to sculpt armies by Mithril but I would be both happy FOR the man and somewhat disappointed BY the man if I was wrong...

Therefore, for quite some time now I have separated what the Man does and want... from what Mithril wants... which, on my opinion are two separate things...

If Mithril tries to win up too many new customers out of GW... they will sooner than expected loose their licence because GW will put them on trial, with Tolkien Enterprise as witness and Tolkien Enterprise will remove its licence to Mithril which will be the end of Mithril... Haven't you noticed how long it takes now to get licence and authorization from Tolkien Enterprise? the Gamlinf's rally has been sculpted for a month or two now, and not yet released because it took more than a month for acceptation from TE.... such acceptation would come in a day or two, four or five years ago...

Now all I know is that I'll certainly have to wait until at least M600, in two or three years, to see non-military regular releases... or vignettes, or any suggestion I would have smile  and I only buy mithril for purpose of keeping up with my collection

I really think they should not play with fire... but once again, that's my point of view

It won't be the first nor the last time my point of view about mithril is in contradiction with the majority of the community+fellowship, but I'll live with that smile ... Fact is... I have never painted a single army in the whole mithril range because I don't like painting armies smile I only have painted individuals except the gondor army mw337 which was disastrous... all others are still in box... even the old rohirim, the pelennor fields, or dwarves armies and even the rangers of Ithilien...


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#1712 Tue, May26 2009 9:35pm

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

. . . and I also like to paint individuals. For the simply reason that there is no space in my room . . . lol
And as far as the authorization-time concernes: yes I am aware of that. The economic part should not be underrated.
But this discussion took place here . . .


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#1713 Wed, May27 2009 3:06pm

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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmrhuoommm ... this is a very interesting discussion ... huomm ... indeed ... so we'll see how things will be developing ... rhuom wink

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#1714 Wed, May27 2009 3:58pm

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

L O O K   A T   T H E   H O M E P A G E ,   F E L L O W S ,   B U T   B E   C A R E F U L   !

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#1715 Wed, May27 2009 6:05pm

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Re: The Taproom

For sale the new M-serie! My God! The first thing that catches the attention: the price, 9.99 € for single figures!.  Almost has doubled the price of figures .......sadsadsadsadsad


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#1716 Wed, May27 2009 6:35pm

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Re: The Taproom

Have to agree about the "interesting" price ... hmm


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#1717 Wed, May27 2009 6:48pm

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

This is bold ! Nothing more !
I feeling of disappointment raises in my heart.
And you can imagine what that means for mounted figures ! ! !

(That could be also a way killing mounted figure suggestions . . .)

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#1718 Wed, May27 2009 8:25pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

I posted on the official forum, public threads....

This is unacceptable... I will contact Chris Tubb about this at once to know his point of view


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#1719 Wed, May27 2009 8:45pm

Wirilómë
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Re: The Taproom

I'm happy to see my throw-the-money-through-the-window-for-little-bits-of-metal of a husband saying that it's too much wink

I think that the question on GF is : who are the members ? are they collectors (that collect figurines for the pleasure of having them), artists (that like to paint those figurines because they are beautiful or that want to make dioramas with them) or wargame players (well, not especially wargame players but all those that don't collect, are interested by armies and so on) ? What is the average GF member ? Here we have collectors : those love to get unique figurines like  Beruthiel. Artists will like unique figurines (named) or may ask for some special types of figurines (well, I don't know but a female assassin could be very interesting in a diorama as it's some kind of unique figurine). The third category would be those that are not collectors at all : even if Boromir can be interesting, every collector know that there are quite a number of them. Those may love to get another half-orc. after all, do they have the first half orc captain (M180 if I remember well) ?

Of course every half-orc will be interesting as it will not be the same half-orc but it's not as fun as a Beruthiel.

On the price... It's far too expensive for a little bit of lead. *grumbles*
I'll sell all His figurines one day !


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#1720 Wed, May27 2009 10:19pm

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Re: The Taproom

Very dissapointed at the ridiculous prices for these figures (if they are correct), are Mithril trying to price themselves out of the market?

A single foot figure is more expensive than a mounted Dol Amroth knight!!!

I can understand GF figures being more expensive due to their exclusivity, but this sucks.

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#1721 Wed, May27 2009 10:31pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

I suggest a petition... (yes I am serious)  with lots of names of disapointed people reguarding this... aspect.

I may be understanding when it comes to not suggesting (and not having) mounted figures or so, to reduces the sculpting times etc.. I can understand having to wait for releases etc... but not if they begin to play with us on prices.

So if we propose a petition here, and all of us "sign" it and submit it to Mithril ... if this gets enough signatures we can have some weight in the discussion (indeed, if that was a mistake in the price publication... ok that can happen)


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1722 Wed, May27 2009 10:42pm

ddaines
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Re: The Taproom

Well I have already stuck my neck on the line with a reply to your post Master Gildor, it will be interesting to see what rebuke we get, lol, critisism seems to touch a raw nerve. Still it has to be said I think smile

Makes one wonder what price GF figures will start being priced at!

Happy to sign a petition!

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#1723 Wed, May27 2009 10:50pm

Turambar
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Re: The Taproom

I like your wisdom very much, Wirilóme ! You should make more posts here than four !
May I add, that there is the possibility of an existence of an collector who is also an artist . . . big_smile

@ your husband: I will support your petition very much indeed, Gildor, very, very much! I am serious too !!!!! mad
About 40 % rising prices in nearly one year !
What a mistake !
I think a better way is painting my old miths instead of bying new ones . . .

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#1724 Wed, May27 2009 11:53pm

jdbrown55
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Re: The Taproom

WOW!!!! I am speechless!!!! hmm
It is hard enough for me to buy some, if any, figures nowdays. I will sign that petition too!!!


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#1725 Wed, May27 2009 11:54pm

OriginalAragorn
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Re: The Taproom

Since you're all battle-hardened veterans, I'll give you the newcomer's perspective if I may be so bold:

There's NO WAY I will pay $12-$15 U.S.D. for a single 32mm miniature.  (not sure the current conversion rate..)

The minis are nice, but that's far out of bounds from other high quality minis from other companies.  yikes

There - the newbie's perspective! 

George


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