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#1726 Wed, May27 2009 11:58pm

jdbrown55
Marshal of the Mark
From: Texas
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 488

Re: The Taproom

I agree with you George! To me this is ridiculous! If this keeps up then it is off to collect something else. (I really hate saying this at all!)


These are indeed strange days, dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass! - Eomer

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#1727 Thu, May28 2009 12:27am

hsf62
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From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

The Lady sounds like my wife..... Watch out Master Gildor there is only one precious!smile

It looks like that in the near future the new M releases compete with the very old ones. At least regarding the price!
From that time on you only can hope someone buys the minis and puts them on ebay with a starting bid of 99 cents.

Not funny any more!

We got quite a few collectors including myself having no spare money laying around somewhere in the house or the backyard to buy these great figures and this price certainly doesn't help to make them buy more.
This price politic doesn't make sense at all.

It is understandable that even in Ireland the prices are going up and up and Mithril has to adjust accordingly, but 40% from one release to the next is a big jump.

If I would have the money I wouldn't hesitate to buy these great minis, but I just don't have it.
So I rather spend the money I have for Mithril for figs like the unreleased dwarfs.

Very sad indeed!


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1728 Thu, May28 2009 1:50am

OriginalAragorn
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From: California
Registered: Fri, Apr3 2009
Posts: 257

Re: The Taproom

Holger (forgive me if the name is incorrect)..

I wish it was only a 40% increase.  Going from 5.50 to 9.99 is actually an 82% increase - almost double!

Granted, they are nice figures..  but still..  too expensive

Of course, maybe their logic is that they have enough avid collectors who will "pony up the dough" regardless of the cost.. a risky gambit I dare say..


And here we find you feasting and idling - and smoking! Smoking! Where did you come by the weed, you villains? - Gimli

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#1729 Thu, May28 2009 2:14am

OriginalAragorn
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From: California
Registered: Fri, Apr3 2009
Posts: 257

Re: The Taproom

On a cheery note, I was happy to find out recently that Ken Crawford (Kenakko) is almost a neighbor of mine.  We found out because he kindly offered to give me some orcs to use as guardsmen in a diorama I was working on.  When he asked for my mailing address, we realized that we live 20 minutes apart - in and around Sacramento, California.

Knowing that, we just HAD to get together for what I described as a "Paint & Gawk" session.  Essentially, Ken would show me all his Mithril lovelies - and I would gawk.  And then gawk some more.  And then some more.  And then maybe paint.  And then gawk some more. 

So that was the PLAN.  But execution turned out to be more difficult.  We each have these curious little imps in our lives known as "children."  So I kept intending to visit and for a while it didn't work out.

Finally, we made contact.  I was gaming (sorry, WOTR from GW) at a local independent game store and Ken dropped in and visited.  He watched our game wrap up, which I'm sure took well over an hour.  He showed a lot of interest and aptitude.  After the game, he showed me some of his Mithril that he brought - and also gave me FIVE ORCS!  big_smile 

Ken is a beatiful painter of Mithril figures.  I was very impressed by his soft touch, exact precision, and nice choice of colors.  I thanked him, took my orcs before he could change his mind, and we each went home to our families.

We have now made a second contact.  I managed to visit Ken (and his two splendid boys and mother-in-law) and spent a couple hours just SOAKING IT ALL IN!  What a beautiful collection he has.  I learned a lot about Mithril, along with other figures.  And all of it is SO well painted.  Even his "horde" armies are very well painted.  He even has collectible 1/6th scale models and others.  We talked about getting together again in the future for gaming and/or painting.

By the way, his wife must be a very patient woman to let him have so many models in their home on display!  wink

Just thought I would share this happy discovery.

George


And here we find you feasting and idling - and smoking! Smoking! Where did you come by the weed, you villains? - Gimli

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#1730 Thu, May28 2009 2:29am

jdbrown55
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From: Texas
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 488

Re: The Taproom

Excellent story George! Ken is a great guy! I met him originally on ebay. I bought one of his auctions, but he sent me the wrong mini. I contacted him on ebay to fix the problem and we have been in contact ever since. He has given me minis too and I wish that I lived near both of you guys because I like to wargame too, but I am just a lonely Texas guy who lives far away! big_smile
Especially with that Helm's Deep I am making if we lived in the same area we could wargame and paint together. (And learn tips from each other as well)


These are indeed strange days, dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass! - Eomer

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#1731 Thu, May28 2009 3:09am

OriginalAragorn
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From: California
Registered: Fri, Apr3 2009
Posts: 257

Re: The Taproom

Jason - I wish you had local people to game with!  Don't feel too bad.  With my other commitments, I probably only play 1-2 games per month.

By the way, everyone - sorry to hijack the price hike conversation with my happy discovery!  Let me put us back in synch - uninterrupted.  Here goes:

Damn those price increases!  You can never make me pay!  wink


And here we find you feasting and idling - and smoking! Smoking! Where did you come by the weed, you villains? - Gimli

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#1732 Thu, May28 2009 3:21am

jdbrown55
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From: Texas
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 488

Re: The Taproom

Well, I usually make up my own rules and games to play. I can tell you more later if you want.
Also, I PM you a message.wink


These are indeed strange days, dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass! - Eomer

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#1733 Thu, May28 2009 5:47am

ESTEL
The Lord of the Paints
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

cannot say anything....the prices....shocked...

need a drink. No, master Barliman a STRONG drink!

The other "bad" company (GW) is not a shining example of pricing policy; comparing their prices with the new ones from our beloved company there is no great difference anymore. Have you seen the 3 figures packs?????

a comparison:
GW: metal character figure 9,10 Euro                 blister of 3 figures 10,50 to 12,50 Euro
Mithril: ordinary footman 9,99 Euro                    blister of 3 figures  23,97 Euro

O.K. some points concerning price uplifting:
(1) If you would like to follow price increasing strategies, it would be better to inform the collectors and fans early, so that they/we are not shocked that much. That is what GW always does.
(2) Price increases are always hard, even for true customers. As all economics agree, that keeping old customers is most important, price increases should be done in small steps and not in big jumps.
(3) If price increases are planned, explain your customers why prices need to go up, e.g. increasing of prices for raw materials or higher energy costs and so on.

I am not happy with higher prices at all, but paying a little bit more would be acceptable. I fear, that such (some say ridiculous) high prices not only keep new customers away (I know almost one die-hard mass buying miniature collector who is not buying because of that) and the long true customers will leave Mithril and will not buy anything any more, or will buy lesser quantities.


I am quite unhappy with that situation and I fear, that this will be the day, when the dying of Mithril has begun. sad

Concerning preciouses of male GF's:
A species of very tolerant wifes and very very wise ones. Every male GF should have one. smile


NAMARIE
estel

Last edited by ESTEL (Thu, May28 2009 6:53am)


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A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#1734 Thu, May28 2009 6:05am

Kenakko
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From: California
Registered: Fri, Feb8 2008
Posts: 171

Re: The Taproom

"By the way, his wife must be a very patient woman to let him have so many models in their home on display!" True enough; I'm a lucky man in this respect!  Thanks George and Jason for your kind words.  I'm still blushing...I'd love to met all of you in person.
I have to weigh in on the pricing issue here.  I think it is the new higher metal prices more than price gouging of the faithful.  It is my understanding that the price of certain component metals of 'white metal' have increased by more than 20%.  Still this represents a huge and unaffordable increase.  I agree with a petition, or perhaps an 'open letter' to express our concerns.  If I were in business I might at least respond and explain to customers.  Personally, I was planning to buy several sets of these before I experienced what we yanks call 'sticker shock'sad

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#1735 Thu, May28 2009 6:56am

ESTEL
The Lord of the Paints
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

Master Kenakko,

I am shocked as you are and I am also thinking if I should build up my Isengart force after the shock.
I think you might we not right, as the prices of almost all resources have declined in prices, which is quite common in a recession. So that is not an explanation, but maybe Mithril is in harder trouble than we can imagine?


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#1736 Thu, May28 2009 7:11am

Gildor Inglorion
Wandering Elf
From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

I am not good at writing up open letters I admit so I'd need some help in its redaction...

Anyways, there are counter-measures that can ben taken from the  community to show mithril our disapointment...

Many among us are Gold Fellowship members, and though this release is regular, and would affect occasional customers, we GF members have been supporting Mithril, somewhat financially, over the years, by suggesting, voting AND buying our own suggestions, sometimes at very high prices... This amount of money and the contribution for Mithril has never been rewarded in terms of price reduction for the regular releases (after all, we had, at first a "contract" to buy at least 9 figurines per year) We spend more money, willingly, on Mithril and without any positive side effect...

I cannot touch the whole mithril customer pool with the MMP board but maybe we could spread the words outside on the official mailboard community... Indeed that will never touch the retailers and people who MIGHT buy in retailers without the option to protest the way we currently do... So it is up to us to do what's possible...

I'd call for a boycot (even if temporary) of the new releases until a reasonnable explanation or solutions or offers are made from the Mithril side... in addition to this boycot... today being the last day for May GF Votes, I'd also call for a blackout of all suggestions and votes for June in the GF... I know this is a strong move but that would also reflect this idea :
"with the price increase, there is no need to suggest , vote and thus produce GF figurines that would reach such a high price that we could not even buy what we suggest or vote for... so better not suggesting at all"
This would explain Mithril we are very disapointed if there was absolutly no suggestion or no vote for a single month : a "black month" for the fellowship that would be strong... (and would help Chris catch up with the backlog at the sametime, somehow)

if Mithril was honest enough with us telling us they are experiencing bad times, financially and have difficulties maintaining the brand, we all could understand and look for solutions altogether... but they remain silent and do not communicate and almost double their prices.... that's really not a good idea...

so well, if people here have talents in writing correct english "open letters" and submit some of the ideas I suppose here, that would be cool to do it so and we add our names at the bottom and pass it to Mithril ASAP...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1737 Thu, May28 2009 7:54am

hsf62
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From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

How to make your clients buy your products not anymore......
This was the firs move.
How much will be the increase for the GF figures? A single figure now € 60.00?


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1738 Thu, May28 2009 8:01am

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

There is nothing left to add, Master Gildor. Well spoken.

@ George and Ken: having a mithril-enthusiast in your neighborhood or near by - well, these are paradisiac circumstances !
What would I give for that . . .
Hey fellows, I live in Bochum, Germany, please visit me . . .


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#1739 Thu, May28 2009 9:01am

Gildor Inglorion
Wandering Elf
From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
Website

Re: The Taproom

well the only other mithril interested people I am aware of in France, live far in the north of France while I live in south.... too bad these are sgodet and drizztdourden, the last being someone I would not really enjoy to have as a partner in collecting wink


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1740 Thu, May28 2009 11:20am

erchamion
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From: Granada, Spain
Registered: Tue, Apr1 2008
Posts: 825

Re: The Taproom

Another thought. roll
The change in the quality of the metal can´t be proof of the price increase. If we analyze the weight of the figure of the new serie-m (taking into account an average size of the single human race) and compared with previous series, we can see that  has remained virtually the last editions.
The Rangers of Ithilien-------20 gr. per figure
The Village of Bree-------30 gr. per figure
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The Corsairs of Umbar-------50 gr. per figure
Knights of Dol Amroth-------45 gr. per figure
Helm´s Deep Part.1-------50 gr. per figure

The almost double the price of individual figures can not be justified by the change in the alloy.
Indeed, one might ask, for example, why a pirate of Umbar weighs more twice than a ranger of Ithilien ..... Do they also have been winning with shipping ?.... Sorry for my comment, but I am quite surprised. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it could be that Mithril is economically quite worse than we imagine .....sad


¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1

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#1741 Thu, May28 2009 11:37am

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

No, there is air inside the Rangers, like in German bread . . . lol

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#1742 Thu, May28 2009 12:51pm

Gildor Inglorion
Wandering Elf
From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

It is as I thought... I received an answer from Chris Tubb (and it is not often that the Man answers THAT quickly after a mail because he is rather busy)
He is (and was) not aware of Mithril "politics" and pricings and he is trying to contact Lars Edman about this but so far he has not managed to get hold on him... He will re-contact me as soon as he has an answer to this "crisis" ... he feels very concerned too about this problem... He was clearly not consulted on this case...

(when I tell you that Chris has not his word or vision on what's going on at Mithril enterprise...)

More to come, I hope...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1743 Thu, May28 2009 2:05pm

Wendy
Slowest Painter Ever
From: Michigan, USA
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 365
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Re: The Taproom

erchamion wrote:

Hopefully I'm wrong, but it could be that Mithril is economically quite worse than we imagine .....sad

That is my fear.  sad

Who knows?  Maybe in a (ridiculously vain) attempt to improve the economy, localities in Ireland have dramatically increased taxes?  (Or the EU is punishing Ireland for voting no on the constitution?  Or stupid attempts to manipulate the money/credit supply have backfired and led to inflation?  Or................TE is increasing the cost of the license?)

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#1744 Thu, May28 2009 2:16pm

Gavin
Skilled Artisan
From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

It's not taxes - there are some movements to increase Irish taxes, which got parlously low during the "tiger" years - they had things like regional hospitals closing due to lack of funding. They have been talking about some sort of tax increase, but that would not typically involve 100% price markups.

And no, the EU hasn't punished Ireland for voting No. Not yet at any rate. They wouldn't even punish Ireland - just be slower to dole out goodies to Ireland.

So that's not it either. Likely its something to do with the economy though. The Irish economy tanked. Iceland, Ireland and Spain are Europe's basket cases right now. If I were to speculate wildly, I'd say that Mithril got its operating credit from maybe Allied Irish Bank (I seem to remember that being the branch mentioned) and AIB is highly screwed. AIB cannot provide cheap credit for small businesses anymore --> sudden increase in operating costs for small businesses --> increase in price.

Also, possibly far simpler, Mithril used to make 5000 copies of every M model. They made 2500 copies of the LR models. They make 200 or so copies of an MS model. I bet Mithril are only making 1000-1500 copies of these M models and are charging accordingly.

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#1745 Thu, May28 2009 2:25pm

hsf62
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From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

What's the point of "only" making 1500 copies of a M mould charge a price that high and don't sell any of them....


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1746 Thu, May28 2009 2:28pm

jdbrown55
Marshal of the Mark
From: Texas
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 488

Re: The Taproom

I am not sure what to say about all of this, so I will remain silent for now. hmm

I just hope this situation gets rectified. hmm


These are indeed strange days, dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass! - Eomer

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#1747 Thu, May28 2009 2:29pm

hsf62
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From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

If you have problems and you have to much stock, sell the stock cheaper to keep the money flowing. That would make a lot more sense.
MX Imrahil 150 for sale and still available after all that time! €30.00
Now you get 3 of a M release for the same price of a MX! Wow


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1748 Thu, May28 2009 2:33pm

hsf62
Master Caster
From: Australia
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 2930

Re: The Taproom

But hopefully Mithril does not have any problems, they only became greedy.
Everything is ok then. sad

Last edited by hsf62 (Thu, May28 2009 3:03pm)


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1749 Thu, May28 2009 2:37pm

jdbrown55
Marshal of the Mark
From: Texas
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 488

Re: The Taproom

I am not sure if they are being greedy, but we really won't know until they respond to all of this.

They do need to do like you said Master Caster and sell back stock that they have for cheaper prices to get rid of what they have.


These are indeed strange days, dreams and legends spring to life out of the grass! - Eomer

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#1750 Thu, May28 2009 3:46pm

Theobald
Wisest of Ents
From: the Osning in Germany
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 5724
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Re: The Taproom

Huooommmrhuoomm ... all this nearly left me speechless. I just officially supported the boycot Master Gildor suggested on the GF-board and of course I will support anything else to make clear that this price policy to me is abolutely INACCEPTABLE.
Rhuoomm ... and believe me that I'm more than angry because of two reasons:

First I think it is an absolutely miserable behaviour NOT to inform those people who have that 'autoshipment' in time about such a radical explosion of prices (unfortunately it was me who years ago successfully suggested that idea).

Second, I tried to support the company, maybe more than some others, because I do LIKE what The Man does. I supported the MX-Frumgar financially, then I submissioned the MX-Imrahil on my own, and at the moment there's even another MX I submissioned on its way. A rather massive one, by the way. (Of that one not a single piece will be sold if I transfer the rise in costs we witnessed to such an MX.)

This makes me more than angry, believe me ..... rrrrrrrhoooommm!

Huoommm ... as at the moment I'm in contact with The Man, I will try to point out our concerns to him .... as Master Gildor already did .... huom.

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