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#1801 Fri, May29 2009 1:43pm

hsf62
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From: Australia
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Re: The Taproom

As you can see Master protozeus ther is always a new experience to be experienced!
As I said before... Learning by doing!wink


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1802 Fri, May29 2009 1:47pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Karma 1
You are back on the good site!smile


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1803 Fri, May29 2009 1:48pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
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Re: The Taproom

I just noticed my own signature here.... I can't see any better situation than these days, that would prove this sentence I once said to a little hobbit... to be so true....


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1804 Fri, May29 2009 1:51pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Your wife is calling Master Gildor and so is mine Good night!


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1805 Fri, May29 2009 1:54pm

Wendy
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From: Michigan, USA
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Re: The Taproom

Welcome back Barley!  Apparently I'm your cook now.  Beware the spoon.

See:  http://mmp.faerylands.eu/viewtopic.php?id=200

Has everyone missed Theo's bit of news two pages ago or so?  He especially has every right to be upset.  I do hope it all turns out well.  Interesting times, these are.

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#1806 Fri, May29 2009 1:58pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

time of troubles... time of changes... revolutionnary times.... Maybe a Great and Beautiful Thing will result of these times...

One way to promote Mithril....

Diversification, do something no other company does...... create environnemental tolkien based stuff for dioramas

not a line of figurine, not a "M" reference series.... something else, sculpted.. in metal or not in metal... that would help build armies or dioramas,  "Tolkien-based" architectural arts, both indoors or outdoors.... and ADVERTISE for it....

Now THIS would bring new customers... there are SO Many ways to help mithril if THEY are willing.... but a debate is necessary...

why don't they listen... why don't they take our suggestiongs (beside the GF ones) into consideration...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1807 Fri, May29 2009 2:02pm

protozeus
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Re: The Taproom

Our fury just proves our love for mithril - I hope all will turn out well. (And thank you both for saving my soul from Sauron's grasp, though it was quite an experience! )


ménin aeíde, theá, beórnou órkeiphágou!

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#1808 Fri, May29 2009 2:09pm

Wendy
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From: Michigan, USA
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Re: The Taproom

Theobald wrote:

gruoomm ... Mistress Wendy, please ... stop painting ... rhuoomm ...

I haven't put brush to Mithril since I've finished Imrahil and the Dol Amroth knights.  Quite the opposite - I feel like a mercenary - I am painting the Mines of Moria starter set and some terrain made by the company that shall remain nameless.  (No, it's isn't mine, it's for a hobby shop.)  The silver lining (besides being paid) is that I am reminded how much better sculpted and cast Mithrils are by comparison.  I cannot believe the Perrys sculpted these monstrosities, it must have been someone else (either that or they were given no time at all to sculpt it, I suppose).  Detail left out completely...huge mould lines...gaps...hobbits on sprues with weak ankles....bah!

I am wondering if the man has started using Duro...the detail things like the belt on Bard look decidedly darker in the pic.  I do hope the fellowship prices do not increase.  I may not be able to afford to buy "my" figure.  hmm

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#1809 Fri, May29 2009 6:10pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

It seems Lars Chris and Michael have decided to think over a more adequate solution... I'll wait until tuesday then but that's a good beginning I think....

now it seems we have been heard...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1810 Fri, May29 2009 8:20pm

Gavin
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From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

Mistress Wendy -

I do believe the issue is with the conversion from sculpted "master" to plastic moulded figure. Because GW's plastic moulding, especially for the LOTR range is somewhat slipshod. Every so often its pretty damn good; rather too often its pretty horrible.

Right, off for my first bike ride of this hideously rainy and busy week.

Then to finish my little Rohir halfraed

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#1811 Sat, May30 2009 6:00am

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
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Re: The Taproom

Well there has been a lot of shouting in here while I've been away! (And not much tidying up - Nob? You're fired.)

Having had an opportunity to plough through the last umpteen weeks' of comments, it looks to me as if not much else need be said on the pricing issue, but my own thoughts are:

1) It was foolish, if not naive, of Mithril to foist it upon their customers out of the blue, with no prior warning, whatever their financial situation; that's just very poor business practice.

2) If they are looking to improve the profitability of the Mithril range, then surely the prices of all the other figures should have gone up too? The fact that they haven't is even more strange to my thinking than the decision to massively increase the prices of the new range of figures. OK, perhaps I should just be grateful that the other figures didn't go up too, but would it not have made more sense to increase all Mithril prices by, say, 10 or 20 per cent, rather than impose the whole increase on the Helms Deep figures alone?

3) If the same 80 per cent or whatever increase is applied to the GF figures, then I shall have to let my membership lapse. I can't currently afford to buy even at the present prices because of the foul exchange rate at the moment - not least because, on top of everything else, I now have a new electronic computing device that has to be financed.

4) On the subject of the GF, I tend to agree with the more cautious approach advocated by Axel and Twrich, since it concerns me that the GF is perhaps being made a 'whipping boy' for a problem not of its making. Certainly the issue of disaffection with the M-range price-hike has been brought to Lars' attention, as it needed to be, but it seems more likely that this was achieved by Gildor's 'open letter' (and all strength to him for raising the matter) than by the partial boycott of this month's figure suggestions.

Anyway, it will be very interesting indeed to see what sort of compromise Lars comes up with on Tuesday...

On two other issues raised over the past few weeks: firstly, I have little doubt that some of you will already have received hints from The Man as to what the proposed fourth Helm's Deep set will contain. If you can't guess, think green. That's all I'm going to say.

And, on the subject of Half-orcs / Uruk-hai, I've been re-reading 'Peoples of Middle-earth' over the past few weeks, and it's worth pointing out that Christopher Tolkien observes that when the Uruk-hai first appeared out of Mordor in 2475, Sauron himself was actually still in Dol Guldur, so he can't have been responsible for their creation; consequently, he surmises, it was the Witchking who bred them rather than Sauron. It's an interesting little anomaly that I'd not picked up on before.

Now, let's get this place back in order and get back to business. Nob? Get that broom and start sweeping - ohhh, alright, you're hired again...


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1812 Sat, May30 2009 8:17am

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: The Taproom

interesting theory on the breeding of uruk-hai by the witch-king... maybe it is by him only or maybe through rituals or directions given to him by the Necromancer of Dol Guldur... anyway indeed Sauron was not there when they first appeared...

Unless it was an "old" dormant project in Mordor that the Witch-King only "awoke" , or even Sauron from the distance?


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#1813 Sat, May30 2009 10:49am

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommm ... that's good ... back to business and getting this place back in order ... rhuoomm ... ahem, before I start brushing them doormats again, Master Barliman, may I have a bowl of that clear-clean-honey-coloured-watery liquid, please? .... huooommm ... I can pay with a rumour, of course .... rhuoommm

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#1814 Sat, May30 2009 11:36am

Barliman
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Re: The Taproom

Let's hear the rumour first, Master Tree, then I'll decide how much, err, water it's worth.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1815 Sat, May30 2009 12:56pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Master Barliman that rumour is worth a lot of clear-clean-honey-coloured-watery liquid I bet!big_smile


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1816 Sat, May30 2009 12:56pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm ... alas, good old Master Barliman, saying pay first then you'll see what you get ... rhuoomm ... nay ... huoommm ... it was easier with Nob around here ... hooomm ...
So, first I order, right? ... huoomm ... then you provide the liquid, which is part of your business, right? ... huom... then I pay, right? ... gruooommm ... you turned it upside down, methinks ... hommmm ... what now ... do I get that liquid .... ?

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#1817 Sat, May30 2009 1:01pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommm ... indeed it is, Master Caster .... rhuoommm ... indeed, I said .... huom ... but how do you know? ... huommm

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#1818 Sat, May30 2009 1:02pm

hsf62
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Re: The Taproom

Yes, what business is this here? Did you rise the prices too???


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1819 Sat, May30 2009 1:04pm

hsf62
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From: Australia
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Re: The Taproom

Sometimes things just come to me you know....tongue


Where there is a will there is a way, just as there are no problems, only solutions! Guess it depends on ones own perspective of the matter at that time big_smile

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#1820 Sat, May30 2009 2:38pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Nob was way too easy on you rascals, methinks. The traditional system of trade applies in this establishment, Master Tree. You pays me, and I gives you a drink - same sequence as always. So let's see the colour of your money.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1821 Sat, May30 2009 3:41pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommm .. strange habits here in Bree, Master Barliman ... huoomm ... rhuoomm ... so, same procedure with any bowl I ask for? ... but, alas, what do you mean by colour of money? ... huom
... must have been a metaphor, methinks ... gruoommm ... meanwhile you could start filling that bowl, please, Master Barliman ..... huoomm ... I just want to see what I'll be paying for ... hom

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#1822 Sat, May30 2009 3:47pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmrhuoomm, no one else before called me a rascal ... huoommm ... did you learn that behaviour in the time of your absence? ... rhuuoommm ... I cannot imagine .... hom ... why not calm down and be relaxed knowing that there still are some regulars around .... huoommm ....
so what about this bowl I was ordering some time ago? ... huooomm...

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#1823 Sat, May30 2009 3:52pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
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Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

OK, done - but drink it slowly, unless you have more than one rumour to offer.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#1824 Sat, May30 2009 9:07pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
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Re: The Taproom

Huoomm ... thank you Master Barliman .. that's exactly the way I wish to be served in a pub like this ... rhuuoomm ... then I'd rather prefer to allow myself the speed of swallowing liquids on my own ... rhuooommm .... yes, I do have more than one rumour,of course .. huoomm ... you should know me by now .... alas, would you please top it up ... this bowl is ... ahem ... somewhat filthy, meseems ... as for my rumours to pay for that liquid ... rhuooomm ... I can only say that it's something "unexpected" ... huoomm ...

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#1825 Sat, May30 2009 9:21pm

erchamion
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From: Granada, Spain
Registered: Tue, Apr1 2008
Posts: 825

Re: The Taproom

Theobald wrote:

... rhuooomm ... I can only say that it's something "unexpected" ... huoomm ...

Did you find any lady Ent? big_smile

Welcome, Master Barliman. Now I hope to improve the "tapas" that come with drink ...smile


¡Fuera, viejo Tumulario! ¡Desaparece a la luz! ¡Encógete como la niebla fría, llora como el viento en las tierra estériles, más allá de los montes! ¡No regreses aquí! ¡Deja vacío el túmulo! Perdido y olvidado, más sombrío que la sombra, quédate donde las puertas están cerradas para siempre, hasta los tiempos de un mundo mejor. Tom Bombadil LOTR1

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