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Theobald · Fri, Oct23 2009 9:18pm

Huoooommmmrhuoommm ... I think the figure is based on MERP, though I cannot proove this right away ... rhuoomm ... Rhudaur could be a clue .... hom ... as far as I can remember 'The Man' was working on a series of those figures a long time ago .... rhuoommm ... but I don't remember well ... hom
Anyway, I'm glad to hear about another Christmas Figure being released as keeping alive an old Mithril tradition ... rhuooomhom ... without me having to pester Master O'Brian again with many questions about a new Christmas Figure ... huooommm ... this year I didn't have to ... hom
as for being canonical or non-canonical, well, Master Gildor, I don't mind ... huomm ... I'm sure Sarsfield and King Arthur really were non-canonical .... huooommmm .... in spite of that they are Christmas Figures, aren't they? ... huooommm ...
As for the name it just comes to my mind that Broggha is named a Hillman and so should be considered as having lived in the North of the Shire ... rhuoommm ... as for Brodda we know he's from the East and also being a character mentioned in the Silmarillion and 'The children of Hurin' ... rhuoommm ... I think it's just coincidence the names sound so similar ... rhuoomm

Gavin · Fri, Oct23 2009 10:38pm

My one reservation is that we now have about five Dunnish/Hillmen chieftains floating about: the figure from the Arnorian Knight MS499, the Helm's Deep Dunnish Chieftain LT12, the original M8 Dunnish Chieftain, Menoib M170 and now this bloke. Not that I am really complaining, but it is interesting.

Anyway, I'd be happy with a quasi canonical figure for Christmas big_smile

protozeus · Sat, Oct24 2009 5:35am

Hillmen of the Trollshaws (ICE 8040)

A third story tells of the desperate attempts to rescue the Princess Alquawen from the clutches of King Broggha and the Evil Elfmaiden, Korékalwen, in T.A. 1671. (p.5)
...
Broggha, although quite young, proved himself a fierce warrior and a wise leader in the recent Hillmen revolt, and thus no one was surprised that he became Targ-Arm, their acknowledged leader. Despite the fact that he is odd by Hillmen standards he commands tremendous respect. He stands over 6' tall indicating that he has some Dúnedain blood. This supports his brash claim to be descended from an illegitimate daughter of one of the Dúnedain Kings, a story which no one disputes in his presence. As Targ-Arm, Broggha maintains the appearance of a warrior of the old ways. Yet his demeanor is a facade, for Broggha's dreams are not limited to ruling a free and unmolested Rhudaur. Broggha was educated in the lore of the Dúdnedain, and perhaps this knowledge stirs his blood, for he longs to be King of lands and peoples far beyond the borders of Rhudaur. (pp. 32-33)
...

Gildor Inglorion · Sat, Oct24 2009 7:55am

ok so this is from ICE/MERP smile

well I'll live with it indeed.... though King Arthur is from a "canon" mythology (outside of tolkien) and Sarsfield is an historical character... but ICE are "invented" characters extrapolated from a litterary work, by other people than the writer himselfe (it's not the place for such debate I just want to quote what I mean by "non-canon" I did not mean non-canon to Mithril at all but to Tolkien works)

Hillmen and Dunland men are not the same though... Though esthetically they could be similar, they are not from the same place...

Anyway , as you say, it is good to have a Xmas figurine (even if not 54mm... even if not canon... even if... what else?) I'm sure the man will make it beautiful

Theobald · Sat, Oct24 2009 4:19pm

Huoommm ... I just guessed that Broggha is a MERP character ... and so it was prooved here ... huom .... huooomm ... I feel very much pleased that you, Master Gildor, feel fine with him as a Christmas Figure (especially imagining 'The Man's' interpretation of such a figure) ... rhuoommm
... why isn't the 'Pony' a place to discuss such matters ... should we only stand around here discussing the quality of Master Barliman's brews ... ?
Yes, Padraig Sarsfield is an historical character, as all Irish know ... rhuoommm ... we also know that the character of King Arthur is based on myths - though there is a hidden historical background (lost in the 'Dark Ages') ... hooommm ... so there were Hillmen in Tolkien's world - of course being to be taken as very different from those Dunlendings because of their origin, as you said, Master Gildor ... huoom ...
just to cut it short ... rhuoommm, ahem ... I'm glad about a new Christmas Figure (though again a small one in size) being released again ... rhuoommm ... the last two tiny ones are great ...
rhuoommmm ... I always thought that it's better to have a Christmas with a Christmas figure than not having a figure without Christmas ... rhuoommm ... if you know what I mean ... huoom

Gavin · Sat, Oct24 2009 5:17pm

Well, according to the good professor, the Hillmen, Dunmen, the People of Bree and the dead men of the White Mountains are all of the same kindred. So there's been a bit of conflation between Hillmen and Dunmen.

Anyway, I'm still fairly certain that this is a MERP naming of an unnamed canonical character - the leader of the Hillmen who led his armies against the Dunedain of Rhudaur. Quotes and so forth will show up later.

Odd how that wicked Elf maiden character did not show up in the later Arnor book big_smile

Gavin

Theobald · Sat, Oct24 2009 6:01pm

Huommm ... I'm sure that Master Gavin can provide better answers and proove them ... much more better than me ... rhuoommm ... he's an expert about these matters, I think .... homm ... so I will stay away of this as I also have to care about different things, such as riddles, vignettes, and things like that ... huoommm

Gavin · Sat, Oct24 2009 7:29pm

From Appendix A of The Lord of the Rings, pp 1052 (2002 edition, Alan Lee illustration)

In the days of Argeleb son of Malvegil, since no descendants of Isildur remained in the other kingdoms, the kings of Arthedain again claimed the lordship of all Arnor. The claim was resisted by Rhudaur. There the Dunedain were few, and power had been seized by an evil lord of the Hillmen, who was in secret league with Angmar. Argeleb therefore fortified the Weather Hills, but he was slain in battle with Rhudaur and Angmar

And thus, ladies and gentleman, we have Broggha. The name is invented. The character is not.

Of course, there have been other Brogghas. Broggha is also a villainous Hillman from the default 1640s MERP setting.

Also: out of pure fiat, I am giving the name Broggha to the chief of the Hillmen of Rhudaur during the last northern war. So Broggha can be used as any and all of these characters.

I will write up all three Brogghas for The Court of Ardor once the serial number and picture has been released. Or in the aftermath of such an occurrence.

Gavin

Wendy · Sat, Oct24 2009 9:42pm

Not to change the subject, but is there any scholarly discussion on the shape of mallorn leaves? Like the most functional shape for wrapping lembas and such? I'm doing some sculpting and really don't want to make it the same shape as the movie folk did.

Gavin · Sun, Oct25 2009 12:13am

I'll have a look for you Ms. Wendy and see what I can come up with.

Barliman · Sun, Oct25 2009 6:37am

Won't any interpretation/invention regarding the shape of a mallorn leaf depend in a large part on what shape and size a wafer of lembas was? - and I'm not sure that JRRT ever gave us any clues on that score, other than that they were 'very thin'. Or does someone know otherwise?

protozeus · Sun, Oct25 2009 7:58am

Gavin wrote:
I will write up all three Brogghas for The Court of Ardor once the serial number and picture has been released. Or in the aftermath of such an occurrence.

Interesting findings – also a timeline concerning those characters might be very useful, to prevent utter confusion. wink

Theobald · Sun, Oct25 2009 10:29am

Huoommm ... about the shape of them leaves I'd guess it might be similar to those of "Telperion" who is a silver-leaved maple (acer saccarium) ... rhuoommm ... so those 'very thin' lembas could be wrapped in such a leave easily ... huoommm ... but I'm not really sure about it .... hom
Master Gavin, thank you for quoting from that source ... rhuooom ... besides being a skilled artisan you're an expert in MERP and Tolkien things, as we all know ... rhuoommm

ddaines · Sun, Oct25 2009 1:13pm

Wendy wrote:
Not to change the subject, but is there any scholarly discussion on the shape of mallorn leaves? Like the most functional shape for wrapping lembas and such? I'm doing some sculpting and really don't want to make it the same shape as the movie folk did.

Wendy, hope this helps, 'Straight from the horses mouth' so to speak. From Pictures, by JRR Tolkien, it states that these are crayon drawings of Mallorn trees.

smile

Dave

Barliman · Sun, Oct25 2009 5:44pm

They look just like the three million leaves Mrs B has just swept into a heap out in the yard and the wind has just scattered everywhere all over again...Sort of, um, leaf-shaped.

Gavin · Sun, Oct25 2009 5:45pm

protozeus wrote:
Gavin wrote:
I will write up all three Brogghas for The Court of Ardor once the serial number and picture has been released. Or in the aftermath of such an occurrence.
Interesting findings – also a timeline concerning those characters might be very useful, to prevent utter confusion.

That, indeed, was my plan. It does make sense that different characters with the same name keep cropping up: how many King Henrys have there been in European history?

It's just the Brythonic name "Broggha" is easily confused for Bruggha, and neither are familiar to us, the reader. Far too easier to mix the blighters up.

Gavin

Wendy · Sun, Oct25 2009 6:13pm

Thanks Dave! Very helpful (and very different from the movie)! smile

ddaines · Sun, Oct25 2009 8:49pm

I look forward to seeing the end result Wendy, very curious smile

Theobald · Tue, Oct27 2009 7:26pm

Huooommmm ... alas ... I'm back again ... rhuoommm ... just placed some more pictures of them dwarven chaos in the Mathom House ... trodding back in the mud on the way back here ... rhuoommm ... leaving leaves on my way back so that you, Master Barliman don't have to complain again about leaves being left within these premises ... huomhomhom ... those always were left to Mrs B to cope with ... huommm
so, for the first time, Master Barliman, may I ask you to warm that bowl and the water within it, please? ... rhuoomm ... somehow, suddenly it has become colder again outside, meseems ... rhuoomm ...
yes, sorry, I will clean them wargskins again this year ... but I cannot haste everything, as you might know ... rhuoommm

Gavin · Tue, Oct27 2009 7:52pm

And in other news, my Helm's Deep Rohirrim warriors arrived today (and Theodred, and some paints)

And my word that undercoat is vile crud. Off to the stripping pot the lot of them. Which is grand - this year has been slow going with painting.

Gavin

Barliman · Tue, Oct27 2009 9:22pm

So, this is your first experience of the undercoat crud, then, Master Gavin? Ah, you don't know what you've been missing. I think Mithril may have actually been using Irish Stew to coat them at the time. But hey, are they still using the same vile mixture, or have they changed supplier and/or recipe yet? I've not ordered any figures from them since all the hoo-hah ended, so I'm not sure what the situation is as of now.

But I suppose I shall have to order some figures soon, just to ensure that I don't need to order a lot of my obligatory MS quota all at once and have to hock an arm or leg to pay for them.

Gavin · Wed, Oct28 2009 2:36am

Well, I haven't ordered any of the last ten Fellowship figures, so I have no idea.

The goop is thick, shiny and a bit slippery. I am less than convinced you could actually paint on that stuff. So into the stripping jar it went.

The figures look good though.

OriginalAragorn · Wed, Oct28 2009 3:01am

So what's the story with Tengwar? I got 5 issues that were printed untold centuries ago. I think they were done on a typewriter. big_smile

Have there been any published since then?

Barliman · Wed, Oct28 2009 6:15am

Sadly not, Master OA - the issues that come when you buy Fellowship membership are all that there ever were or ever will be. And they are indeed centuries old. It's a shame that publication faltered and died, because it was a super 'magazine', well illustrated, and well written by John Treadaway.

erchamion · Wed, Oct28 2009 8:46am

Yes, and an excellent guide for the Mithril´s collector. There I learned the story about mold of female M16 roll

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