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#3451 Tue, Apr20 2010 5:38am

Thingol
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Re: The Taproom

Anyway ! smile


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#3452 Tue, Apr20 2010 3:32pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommm ... The Company seems to have become fast ... huom ... today I received Arvedui and Haldir ... hom ... very nice figures both ... rhuom ... as I mentioned before referring to the last MS releases, the primer problem now difinitely seems to be solved ... huoommm

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#3453 Tue, Apr20 2010 3:40pm

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
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Re: The Taproom

Sounds good, Master Theobald. Time to have an order myself . . .


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The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#3454 Tue, Apr20 2010 4:47pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: The Taproom

well now that the primer problem is solved... time to focus on the "release frequence" ... I'm in discussion about these matters with Michael (at Mithril) and Chris (in private)...

it would be cool to have this problem solved before the next hem's deep release... or I foresee there will be another "price war" to be lead ; because, I have the strange feeling that... hem's deep figurines will have single prices as expensive as MS releases...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3455 Tue, Apr20 2010 5:57pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
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Re: The Taproom

Then sadly I wouldn't be buying any at all...


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#3456 Tue, Apr20 2010 11:00pm

Turambar
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From: Germany
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Re: The Taproom

That- Master Gildor- I have as well, that strange feeling. And I am happy I am not the only one. I came to that conclusion last year when Master Lars acquiesced the
lower price. But my cat was the only one I told about . . . ( yes, this cat is reallity )
There is a really interesting conversation on the main board between Master Michael and you. That all sounds a bit beyond believe . . .


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The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#3457 Tue, Apr20 2010 11:59pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

yes it seems incredible that Mithril and Michael are not aware that the set 2 and set 3 of Helm's deep have been ready for a year... and I saw pictures... while it seems Michael is totally unaware....

there is cleary a problem...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3458 Wed, Apr21 2010 9:42am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

I think Michael, in this affair, only does or makes what he is being informed about... by Lars or Chris, but mainly Lars

Having the impossibility to enter or have the "ear" of Lars Edman to consider our suggestions objectively and seriously, even when he is himself asking for suggestions from us is a problem... I don't think Mister Edman is the "community kind of guy"...

this may be the problem.... as always in ALL enterprises, when things go wrong and are amiss, it is 90% of the time a "communication problem" only


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3459 Wed, Apr21 2010 12:31pm

shadyt
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From: Indiana, USA
Registered: Mon, Feb4 2008
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Re: The Taproom

After the big problems last year over price, I do not believe that they will try to raise the price again on M-series anytime soon. Why would anyone want to go through all of that again so soon? I believe that we will get our next M-series in three months or a little longer, and they will be the same price structure as the last m-series.

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#3460 Wed, Apr21 2010 12:58pm

Arthadan
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From: Spain
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Re: The Taproom

Problem is they're focusing on overpriced limited editions for the die-hard collectors, instead of having a wide and nice selection of reasonably priced miniatures in the M series. I think if they increase their catalogue re-releasing some of the most army-oriented series, lower their prices and a do a good marketing campaing, it  would work wonders for them.

I need more Wargs-riders!

And Trolls!

And Elven Spearmen and variety of archers and some heavy-armored Elves and....

But they release instead a beggar version of King Arvedui. Limited edition and so. That's not the way to go sad

Sorry for the rumblings, I haven't had enough ale today... or maybe I have had too much already big_smile

Last edited by Arthadan (Wed, Apr21 2010 1:00pm)


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#3461 Wed, Apr21 2010 1:37pm

Barliman
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From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
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Re: The Taproom

I agree with everything everyone is saying, and especially the need for more alcohol. Free drinks all round (but just this once, mark you!).


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#3462 Wed, Apr21 2010 2:27pm

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

I feel culprit one again of being the one who "raised the mob" in this matter.. If I had not posted this 5th year anniversary topic all of this would not have happened, I'd better remainsilent in my corner too I suppose...
(NB: as for king Arvedui being depicted as a beggar, that was my idea to have him so but I agree with you Mithril should focus on regulars, not only armies... rather than expensive "specials")


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3463 Wed, Apr21 2010 3:06pm

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
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Re: The Taproom

No need to say sorry, Master Gildor. You didn´t raise the mob, you make visible which is already there . . .


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The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#3464 Wed, Apr21 2010 3:35pm

Theobald
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Re: The Taproom

Huooommmm ... yes ... huomm ... right you are indeed, Gents ... rhuoommm ... but I for myself will hold back with adding similar comments here ... huoommm ... I might get back to all this leter on ... huom ..

If you don't mind, for the moment I would rather like to concentrate on the free drinks Master Barliman announced ... huooommmm ... see, me tree also have been in the "old" MMP ... so, as far as I can remember, this is the very first time Master Barliman is offering something for free ... rhuoommm ... incredible that is, absolutely astonishing ... or ... well, one might worry about the quality of them drinks, right? .... anyway ... huooomm ... Thank you Master Barliman.

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#3465 Wed, Apr21 2010 8:35pm

Gavin
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From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
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Re: The Taproom

I wrote a long post the other day.
then I wrote it again.

But the gist was this: the various series are typically incomplete - there's always about three or four things they could include. Hence people ask for them on the Fellowship board.

Then the Fellowship figures are, each one, a masterpiece. But each Fellowship figure suggests a diorama - which is awesome. And you think: know what Arvedui needs? A Ranger character staring into the distance, wrapped in furs. Another Lossoth hunter watching over their guests. The other Fellowship Lossoth hunter can be in the foreground...  The Numenorean king needs something like an advisor figure or a guard. Theodred needs a mounted standard bearer (not running). And so on and so forth.

You could make about 100 absolutely typical and iconic MERP player character types, which are each valuable as diorama pieces as well as wargame captains and heroes. There's currently 50 in the entire range.

You can sort of make a pretty decent Dol Guldur army for dioramas and wargames with the Battle of Mirkwood figures, the Mithril-classics Orcs, the Helm's Deep Isengard Orcs, the Rangers of Ithilien Orcs and the MERP series Orc Animist. It's not perfect, but it works. Only you need different shield types if you wanted to make them a Minas Morgul army. After all, there's plenty of Pelennor Fields type figures: having a nice horde of varied orcs in the background of your diorama is lovely. They just need shields. Mithril sells a little packet of mixed shields. They do not, however, sell a packet of themed Orc shields, or themed anyone else shields. You can buy six Gondorian shields from six seperate Gondorian provinces. What if you want to have a scene with some Men of Linhir defending against Corsairs? (The Linhir shield is as rare as hen's teeth)

At the very least, Mithril should be remaking the warbands (now that Time Machine no longer does). I need a bunch of Gondorian archers! The Lossarnach series represents a decent Minas Tirith force, but it needs spears. And shields.

So while Mithril does not make wargames, armies are useful for dioramas, RPGs, wargames and just painting a bunch of them and setting them up.

At bare minimum, I'd like to see

- The Two Warbands sets released as Mithril classics WITH a pack of optional shields you can buy for 10 euro or something.
- All the post 300 Orcs and Gondor figures released as Mithril classics.
- A couple more RPG figures. There's a new LOTR RPG coming out this Christmas. I've playtested it. I am not revealing anything, but let me say this, it would be great to play with some nice Mithrils. Especially some Orcs. Particularly some Orcs. If your heroes haven't killed about 30 orcs in an RPG session, they aren't trying.

Finally, I'd gnaw off hands to get those Easterlings, the Wilderland and the Rhudaur series out into the wild. Yeah that's a year of painting right there, but damn, it would plug some serious holes in the range.

Oh look, I was mentioned in the newsletter.

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#3466 Thu, Apr22 2010 5:50am

ESTEL
The Lord of the Paints
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

Master Gavin,

you have qualities of Malbeth the seer or better the mirror of Galadriel, as it shows things that we wish most smile. BUT: it would so much sense realising your ideas as the company could make money!! Packs of soldiers and different set of shield to arm them...GREAT!!

Just some little critical thought: In case of the Orcs, the Dol Guldur ones look different from the Pellennor Orcs and all other Orc kinds look a little bit different, so I would prefer building contingents or hordes for large armies, consisting of Hithaeglir mercenaries with Mordor/Isengart shields and so on. Think about the possibilities....nice..


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#3467 Thu, Apr22 2010 6:08am

Thingol
Brave Sam the gardener
From: Republic of Croatia
Registered: Tue, Jul28 2009
Posts: 3694
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Re: The Taproom

... there are lot's of comments which frankly overlook fields of your mind guys... I just want to see mithril figures on my computer in my shelf also in the distant future...
I have tried on numerous LOTR forums in Croatia to promote Mithril and I'm sad when I see that I'm only one in my country... so my comment is... we will see soon lot's of nice new figures... for sure ! RPG guys or art sculptures as Arvedui is... anyway.... I'm going now to buy few old Fellowship figures to fill in my collection gap... there is 25% spring discount smile


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#3468 Thu, Apr22 2010 8:01am

Gildor Inglorion
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Re: The Taproom

I wonder if it is my aversion against orcs or something else, but when I hear all those people craving for orcs I feel the urge to "smite" smile

now for it to be more objective, there is currently 530 M references (not counting the gapes) 40 LR, 15 LT so a total of 585 references (i don't count MC as they are only recasts, nor 54mm)  Now if I use my own database search engine with those criteria : All Orcs in 32mm and substract the MC/MCD I get ... 60 results among which there are TWO warbands...

So, so far, orcs represent Much more than 10% of all the Mithril range smile ... and still... there are not enough orcs?
indeed this is nothing compared to Men (in general) who have a total of 240 references including one warband...

but when it comes to armies... alone,  both Human and orcs have had quite enough to make any battlescene possibles, as you mentionned though, different orc shields would be welcome!!

but definitly there is an army faction that lacks representation : Elves.... Even Dwarves , are more represented than elves when it comes to armies...

Mithril has never considered elves to be an "army" but rather individuals... or very casual on battlescenes... but the battle of the 5 armies, of Mirkwood,  of Last Alliance did have many elven infantry! not only "officers" or archers

indeed there is the warforge moulding kits.... but that's not mithril exactly...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#3469 Thu, Apr22 2010 8:23am

Arthadan
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From: Spain
Registered: Fri, Nov6 2009
Posts: 426

Re: The Taproom

Gildor Inglorion wrote:

(NB: as for king Arvedui being depicted as a beggar, that was my idea to have him so but I agree with you Mithril should focus on regulars, not only armies... rather than expensive "specials")

That was my point, Master Gildor. King Arvedui as guest of the Lossoth is great for collectors but it's not something for the great part of the average Tolkien miniatures fan, who are mainly focus on LotR and tH. It's more diorama-oriented instead of wargaming or roleplaying, which is not a bad thing but will not bust up the sales.

If they have produced a MV vignette with the thee Trolls, some Dwarves in sacks or tied, and some fighting the Trolls it would have sold like hot cakes. But again they released only the Trolls and in limited editions.

Looks like they carefully avoid any chance of making money sad

And (/me prepares to run) having some other sculptor a chance could be good for the company. Mr. Tubb does a great work, but some fresh air could be nice (/me run away).

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Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
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#3470 Thu, Apr22 2010 9:30am

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

At last- Master Grond takes part in here! Let´s give him a HUUUGE welcome!!! Master Barliman, some more drinks please.

@ Master Arthadan: Well, what is the thing what mithril is about. Not that typical fighting-poses-warrior-thing. That is the reason I collect them.
The reason I collect them also is the skill of The Man. mithril miniatures ARE his art-work. That´s the point. Figures of other artists- and there are so many brilliant ones out there, wouldn´t be mithril anymore. mithril doesn´t stand for a white metall figure in 32mm scale with a grey undercoat!
It´s like to change Brian Johnson as a singer of AC/DC to give some more fresh air to the band . . . roll
I seem to be a bit oldfashioned. But for me there is no need of fresh air. Insteda: more professionalty is important as mentioned in the upper posts . . .
And as Master Estel pointed oit, more of whatever!
And don´t  tar and feather me . . .

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#3471 Thu, Apr22 2010 9:39am

Arthadan
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From: Spain
Registered: Fri, Nov6 2009
Posts: 426

Re: The Taproom

Well Mr. Tubb had already some help from another sculptor for the warbands (a Polish one, I think)... and they are Mithril all the same.

About the typical fighting poses there are some "wargaming" ranges (i.e. Corsair of Umbar, knights of Dol Amroth...) and some which are more for diorama-lovers or Role-players  (i.e. Village of Bree, House of Elrond). And I love both styles smile

I'm not speaking bout changing the singer, I'm speaking about some duets and some chorus wink


To mortal fields say farewell,
Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
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#3472 Thu, Apr22 2010 12:07pm

Gavin
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From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

I don't think we need more Orcs, so much as more availability of the orcs already made. With a variety of shields. So a wider availability of M315, M328, M330 and M331 along with the Warband and a shield pack. (As well as 311 and 313)

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#3473 Thu, Apr22 2010 1:37pm

shadyt
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From: Indiana, USA
Registered: Mon, Feb4 2008
Posts: 458

Re: The Taproom

Lots of us still want more orcs, so there is a demand for them if the company makes them.

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#3474 Thu, Apr22 2010 2:30pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

I tend to agree with Master Gavin - the company has produced sufficient orcs of most types already (though we still need an orc with a torch), and needs only to reissue those that it has shortsightedly (not to say inexplicably) withdrawn over the years.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#3475 Thu, Apr22 2010 2:44pm

shadyt
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From: Indiana, USA
Registered: Mon, Feb4 2008
Posts: 458

Re: The Taproom

The Isengard forces do not have any wolfriders yet and as for normal orcs (not Half-orcs) there are only two that are not carrying hobbits.
The goblin army at the battle of five armies has no wolf riders accept maybe the goblin king.

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