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#2951 Fri, Dec11 2009 9:11pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

My problem, I fear, is the hobbit size that they make keyboards. Why don't they produce a Man-sized one for them of us with big fat fingers? In the meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to put up with ans occasionally (other than in the bar-snacks).


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#2952 Mon, Dec14 2009 2:03pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm ... so here they are, the last three figures in 2009 ... huoommm ... Broggha has some nice details and the sub-reference design below the base has been changed ... huom ...
the pose of the Half-Troll is nice ... rhuoommmm ... Isildur is just another Isildur, nothing spectacular, I think, very much the same as the old Christmas figure but less details, of course, as this one is smaller.... gruooohuuommhom ... the primer ... huoommm ... sorry to mention that problem again ... but .... alas .... rhuoommmmmm ...

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#2953 Mon, Dec14 2009 2:30pm

Arthadan
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From: Spain
Registered: Fri, Nov6 2009
Posts: 426

Re: The Taproom

I agree, Master Tree...the primer! They could save cost without the primer and I think we all be happier without the occasional thick layer of primer.


To mortal fields say farewell,
Middle-earth forsaking!
In Elvenhome a clear bell
in the high tower is shaking.

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#2954 Mon, Dec14 2009 4:18pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
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Re: The Taproom

time to warn mister Tubb again about the primer maybe?


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#2955 Mon, Dec14 2009 5:29pm

Barliman
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Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Well, the 'new'(?) primer is better than the custard inflicted on earlier figures, but I'd personally prefer that it wasn't there at all. It serves no useful purpose - quite the contrary - and if you want to simply  'display' figures unpainted, there's the added problem that the separate appendages supplied with figures usually aren't sprayed at all.

Maybe it would be better for Mithril not to spray their figures at all any more if this is the best primer they can obtain.


"A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber-room: thing wanted always buried."

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#2956 Mon, Dec14 2009 8:22pm

OriginalAragorn
Strider
From: California
Registered: Fri, Apr3 2009
Posts: 257

Re: The Taproom

I think the primer is worthless!  I've received figures with two kinds of primers from Mithril:
1)  Dark grey, glossy primer - which makes the paint too shiny when applied
2)  Light grey, "powdery" primer - which gives the figure a gritty texture

They are both terrible!

I agree that it's odd to get the figure primed and the appendages unprimed.  Other mini companies seem to use no primer at all.  This gives collectors and painters the option of whether to prime at all.  Also, many painters use black or white primer.

Anyway - I saw this thread and wanted to add my 2 cents!


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#2957 Mon, Dec14 2009 8:39pm

ddaines
Skilled Artisan
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 1958

Re: The Taproom

Well 1/2 troll, Broggah and Isildur arrived today - I do like the Isildur due to the left hand holding the helmet and cloak which to me gives the figure a bit more 'fullness' (I like 'em all as a matter of fact) - the others (Isildur versions) seem to be a little 'flat' looking when compared.

Perhaps regarding the primer Mithril should now stop priming figures as they don't sell via shops anymore therefore the visual impact of the primer compared against other ranges which were unprimed is no longer so relevant (this is what caught my eye all those years ago and is why I have always been a fan of the primer option). As the primer is causing so much irritation now seems a good time to leave it off and leave it to us to prime the figures ourselves.

I'm sure I'll pop in for a drink or two before the festivities start, but I hope you all have a good one wherever you are smile

David

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#2958 Mon, Dec14 2009 10:44pm

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

Well, my Broggah edition also arrived today and the detailed qualitay mentioned by Master Theobald filled my heart with joy! Fantastic.
And the base: fantastic, too!
Concerning the primer: I didn´t order a new figure so I also can believe what you are saying. But if that´s true what you mentioned,
this is an unbelievable fact . . .
Why does the company make such mistakes . . .

Oh, I have to edit: thank god the Christmas figure is unprimed, so you can see all the magnificent details manufacted by The Man!
And there are A LOT.
And it will be a great pleasure for me priming the figure for myself, as thin as possible- for painting the miniature as good as possible!

Last edited by rita.de (Mon, Dec14 2009 10:48pm)


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The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#2959 Mon, Dec14 2009 11:01pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
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Re: The Taproom

still waiting to receive them myself hmm I hope they did not forget the autoshipment as I did not order anything...


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#2960 Wed, Dec16 2009 11:12pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
Registered: Fri, Jan25 2008
Posts: 4098
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Re: The Taproom

received them today smile

well indeed the primer has once again a problem... I informed the Man, who took good notice about the problem and will once again report it...

Fact is, with the "born of hope" figurine, I can assure you that primer DO and STILL exit that can achieve a wonderfull smooth and very mithril-of-the-old-days-like primer... it's just that Mithril does not use it, but Chris himself does.... and now I suppose that is very upsetting... there is no excuse about the availability of the primer... only about not being able to do it right at the factory...

I really hope there won't be any primer problem with the MX-UP or it could be disastrous with all the details to be shown on this masterpiece!


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#2961 Thu, Dec17 2009 6:42am

Thingol
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From: Republic of Croatia
Registered: Tue, Jul28 2009
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Re: The Taproom

Sadly ! I also I hope that MX UP will be without primer like this or with old primer... maybe the Man have his own supply of old primer... or special formula how to make it so he could sell his secret knowledge of the factory that produced primer for PA....


.... Farewell to Middle-earth at last. I see the Star above my mast!

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#2962 Thu, Dec17 2009 8:36am

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

You shouldn´t do the same mistake twice !
Or even three times--thinking about the "party".
Then the Tree becomes angry again, and in this case I suppose very much.
But somewhere he mentioned no problems are there to be expected . . . Why should I NOT trust him!


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#2963 Thu, Dec17 2009 8:39am

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

Oh, Master Barliman, is there the possibility to get a nice breakfast here . . . a warm toast with some scrambled egg and a cup of, well, coffee?


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#2964 Thu, Dec17 2009 4:07pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
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Re: The Taproom

Huooommm ... right you are, Master Rita.de, once I said that no problems with the primer will be expected .... huoommm ... then I was quoting The Man ... that was after the first primer-desaster ....rhuoommm ... some time ago by now ... huoomm ... now I'm worried again, as you might understand ... huoommm ... I will contact The Man immediately about this matter as I really do not want the MX-UP being smeared with some ugly-grey-glossy-slimy stuff that might even cover details .... rhuoommmm .... I'll do what I can, believe me ... huoom .... hom!

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#2965 Thu, Dec17 2009 4:50pm

Barliman
The famous Innkeeper
From: Bree
Registered: Tue, Jan29 2008
Posts: 4331

Re: The Taproom

Good luck with that, Master Tree. I'm sure the absence of porridge (also known as undercoat) will contribute to the overall quality of the model exponentially.

And my apologies, Master Archer, I had to go out early today to see some suppliers. I hope Nob dealt with breakfast adequately (I'm not sure I'd trust his ability to cook even an egg, but we have to make do with the staff we can get these days; I'd probably do better to put Bob's cat in charge when I have visits to make - though if I did I'm not sure there'd be any milk left for the coffee, so you'd have to take it black).


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#2966 Thu, Dec17 2009 11:30pm

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

I´ll take your apologies, Master Barliman. And no worry, I prefer a black coffee. Hot´n ´black !!!
There are more things these times which need an apology . . .
Master Theoblad, maybe the company should make their mind up to give an "undercoat" edition of the glorious MX-project.
The current Christams-figure is produced undercoated as everybody knows, and this is not a negative point . . .


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#2967 Fri, Dec18 2009 12:23pm

Gildor Inglorion
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From: Montpellier, France
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Re: The Taproom

when you mean undercoat you mean this "antique finish"?


"Elves seldom give unguarded advice, for advice is a dangerous gift, even from the wise to the wise, and all courses may run ill." (Gildor Inglorion, LOTR1)

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#2968 Fri, Dec18 2009 4:02pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
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Re: The Taproom

Huoommmm ... this year's Christmas figure omly is available with antique finish .... huooommm ... though that finish sometimes was a bit darker in years before ... huom

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#2969 Fri, Dec18 2009 5:00pm

Gavin
Skilled Artisan
From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

So: stupid question:

Can you paint over an "antiqued" finish? Or failing that, can you get the stuff off the figure?

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#2970 Sat, Dec19 2009 2:02pm

Theobald
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From: the Osning in Germany
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Posts: 5724
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Re: The Taproom

Well, Master Gavin, I never tried to get the stuff of a Christmas figure, as I'm a collector. But of course it can be done. That "antique finish" is just put on the figures to point out details you wouldn't be aware of if the figures were kept without any finish. So you have the shiny silvery appearance but the "antique finish" gives the figures more volume and reveils details better ...rhuooommm ... as for painting over an "antiqued" finish ... huoommm ... I would not recommend ... huoommm ...

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#2971 Sat, Dec19 2009 4:32pm

Turambar
Archer of Mirkwood
From: Germany
Registered: Sun, Apr27 2008
Posts: 2724

Re: The Taproom

The answer is: YES ! Of course.
First I have to explain that "undercoat" is the wrong word- of course. I meant: without any primer at all, blank, naked, so to say.
You can prime the miniatures for yourself! In this case. As thin as you like.
Let me explain another thing: I strip of the primer in general, because I want to have the "raw" material for the metal parts which I paint with waterlike black oil-colour.
The rest will be primed with some Humbrol and painted later on. I will do exactly this with Broggha.


Maybe the magic was the most powerful force in the world. But that was long ago.
The dragons are gone, the giants are dead and the children of the woods are forgotten.

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#2972 Sat, Dec19 2009 8:45pm

ESTEL
The Lord of the Paints
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

Ah yes, I am late in here.
I just have got my last order of Mithril figures today and was disgusted to have got minis with the new ähmm thick stuff or primer on them. Tried to get rid of this juic, but it did only work for the MS-Isildur . Has anyone experience with the  new ähm undercoat and how to get the figure "naked"/blank?

I have to say, that I did not understand the debate about the primer-thing some time ago, as my figures always were in the best condition. But that thick juice on Gamlings rally is horrible.....

Last edited by ESTEL (Sun, Dec20 2009 10:06am)


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#2973 Sat, Dec19 2009 10:22pm

Gavin
Skilled Artisan
From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

I use Cilit Bang (called Bam! here) and more recently, Simple Green.

Put them in a jar...and wait. It will take a while, but eventually the stuff starts sloughing off. luckily I am in no hurry to paint the Rohirrim. Too busy doing other things, but I suspect it will take at least a week normally to get the gunk off.

Tomorrow I will go retrieve them from the jar of doom and start putting them together. I will report my progress.

Gavin

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#2974 Sun, Dec20 2009 10:10am

ESTEL
The Lord of the Paints
Registered: Thu, Jan31 2008
Posts: 497

Re: The Taproom

Thank you very much Gavin for the idea.

I tried it with some kind of  dissolvent, but as I said it only worked for the Isildur figure, but not for the Rohirrim, or for the Half Orc. It seems to me the Company has tried another new primer for the MS-figures than for the normal M-version being older. Damn stupid as the mail is almost plain now. I hope I can get the best with a nice paint job out of them.


"From the ashes a fire shall be woken, 
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken:
The crownless again shall be king".

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#2975 Sun, Dec20 2009 4:13pm

Gavin
Skilled Artisan
From: Canada
Registered: Wed, Jan30 2008
Posts: 936

Re: The Taproom

You really need to be patient, especially with the new gunk.

Also, invest in a wire brush - the things like a tooth brush, only with brass wires? Gently "brush" the crud off the figure and then (hopefully) you'll have a nice clean miniature.

Gavin

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